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Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price have
been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there any color
images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as well as text
set to black, then the color increased the price and also caused a double
print session, one (plate) for the color and one (plate) for the text. btw,
did you ask for an estimate on the cost of the job when you took the
manuscript to the printer? finally, in most software, the text color
default is automatic. maybe you might want to check your text color
settings before your next printing job and get an estimate before the job
is printed. that way, there are no surprises on your end.

scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with an
inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will help
you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work within their
workflow.

cheers,
dwain

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs <
konrad bauersachs t-online de> wrote:


Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there could be
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black" and NOT
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used. "Automatically"
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack when my
copy-shop
demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:

uwe, et. al.,
one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe

to

the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along

with

the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to
information, just like on this list.

best,
dwain

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski <uwesassnowski web de>

wrote:



Hello Jehan and Dwain,

I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some

program

crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and
some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to
handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make

our

print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will
take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope

that

our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are
professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to
have such professional help!


With best regards,
Uwe
Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:

john and uwe,
here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces
"smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the

job of

combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package

that a

good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.

scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to

try

and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for

the

job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape

is a

better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good

program

to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to

import

text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator

will

convert your image to the .svg format for importation.

for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information

than

jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for

this

reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark

express,

etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.

i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most

important.

most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different

types

of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print

would

be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80
dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300

dpi

for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to
produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
depending on the program i use to produce them.

scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program
can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image
enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper.
there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file.
since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their
printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their standard
software. in this case, you can provide a native file with accompanying
fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i
will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the
printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a pdf. i

have

run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to import my

pdf

into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf
viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout program is

also

a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability".

i'm

sure you have seen where some of your letters in a particular font will
look closer together than other letters when printed. although raster

and

vector programs have the same capability, page layout programs do it
better, because that's how they are designed.

color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
conversation all together.

hope this helps.

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list gnome org> wrote:


Hi!

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski <uwesassnowski web de>
wrote:


Hello,

I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels /
layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and

exported it

to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print

was

not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they

normally

get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to improve

the

quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all layers. But

then

all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from the text
layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into the text
anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures and texts
without combining all layers so that the printing company can touch

all

pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?


I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export rasterize text or
not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and similar
activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use Inkscape
and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously raster

parts

(drawing, photographs, etc.). But when it comes to complex designs,
Inkscape may be the most appropriate tool. And if you have objects to

set

precisely on your page, Scribus may be better suited (it won't do that
much
more than what Inkscape does, simply it's rather *how* it does it which
may
make it much more straightforward when you think in term of print).

Now GIMP can also work very fine, even if you have texts. But then you
have
to understand well the printing process to provide a perfect raster

object

to the printshop and not expect them to edit it (we certainly don't

want

printshops to edit our designs in fact!).

Jehan



With best regards,
Uwe
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