Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP shows a thumbnail in taskbar rather than its icon

[Jehan <jehan girinstud io>]

Hi,

On 2015-10-23 19:10, Michael Natterer wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 15:40 +0200, Jehan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2015-10-23 00:27, Michael Natterer wrote:
> > > For the record,
> > >
> > > GNOME also uses the icon, both in alt-tab view and in the taskbar
> > > that some people claim doesn't exist, or is it a sidebar? Anyway,
> > > the thing that appears in overview mode.
> >
> > Some people seem to understand opposite things from what you are
> > saying.
> > Are you saying GNOME uses the Wilber icon, or that it uses the
> > thumbnail
> > in place of an icon?
> > Because I also use GNOME 3 (3.16.2) and I never saw any thumbnail-
> > icons
> > of GIMP, whether in alt-tab or in the dock in the overview.
>
> I meant the thumbnail, sorry.

Really? Which version of GNOME? Do you use any plugin? Aryeom and I both 
have been using GNOME for the last 3 months and we don't see the 
thumbnail. Even deactivating all my plugins, so bare GNOME 3.16, I have 
no thumbnail as GIMP icon.

> My general opinion about this is that this looks like the rare
> case where a prefs setting makes sense:

Well this is an option indeed. I honestly would really like to see the 
preferences dialog slim down. But if we can't find any other 
alternative, I guess it can do.

> There seem to be two classes of desktop enviromnents: those which show
> a panel/taskbar/foo icon per window, and these use the thumbnail; and
> those which show an icon per application, and these use the icon.
>
> Then there is two types of users: those who find the thumbnail weird,
> and those who find it helpful.
>
> I think a simple "Use Image Thumbnail as Window Icon" boolean toggle
> should IMO work just fine, but we definitely should
>
> 1. render the thumbnail always as a square (padded with transparency)
>    because at least GNOME distorts the thumbnail to be a square.

KDE did squish the icon in a very ugly way too, and XFCE did some very 
strange (and ugly as well) adding color to the bottom. See my 
screenshots: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Software_Icon_workgroup

> 2. overlay a wilber icon if we render a thumbnail to make the window
>    icon recognizable as "GIMP Window".

This was actually more the solution I was thinking about lately. The 
problem is that the thumbnail is so small that adding a Wilber atop of 
it, will the Wilber still be recognizable? Or if we like add some 
transparency or something to make the Wilber stand out, then will the 
thumbnail actually be recognizable now?

Also if we manage to find a good solution where both Wilber and the 
thumbnail look good, why would we bother with adding a checkbox in 
preferences?
As I say, I think preferences are too full of choices and as a user I 
end up nearly never changing things there and just be annoyed because by 
stuff I don't remember can be changed. Having better default is a much 
better solution to me.

Jehan

> --Mitch
>
> > Jehan
> >
> > > --Mitch
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 23:25 +0200, Jehan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On 2015-10-22 22:45, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> > > > > On 10/22/2015 04:02 PM, Jehan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At this point, I believe that the whole feature should be
> > > > > > dropped,
> > > > > > whatever mode one is in.
> > > > > > If anyone likes the feature (we have not had 1 single
> > > > > > positive
> > > > > > feedback
> > > > > > until now), please make yourself heard now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe it's just me, but I am missing a discussion of various
> > > > > situations
> > > > > a user might find themselves in on their systems, when they
> > > > > have to
> > > > > navigate to a specific image (or a few specific images) they
> > > > > have
> > > > > opened
> > > > > in GIMP.
> > > >
> > > > Well… isn't the discussion you are "missing" exactly what we are
> > > > doing
> > > > right now?
> > > > Aren't we gathering the various situations in the various
> > > > OS/desktops/WM
> > > > with various users using one or the other window mode right now?…
> > > >
> > > > > I'm using Xfce and Windows 7, and I rely on the thumbnails to
> > > > > find
> > > > > the
> > > > > images I'm looking for.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I just tested XFCE
> > > > (http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Image:Xfce-alt-tab-gimp.jpg). It
> > > > indeed
> > > > seems the only OS/desktop tested until now with a concept of
> > > > taskbar
> > > > using the generated thumbnail-icons (well Windows too according
> > > > to
> > > > the
> > > > bug report, though the person under Windows 7 who tested for me
> > > > this
> > > > morning and sent me my screenshot had no thumbnail in the
> > > > taskbar, so
> > > > I'm a little lost here).
> > > > The alt-tab also uses it, which is redundant with XFCE own
> > > > thumbnailing
> > > > in alt-tab.
> > > >
> > > > So yes the taskbar in XFCE (and Win?) seems one of the only case
> > > > up
> > > > to
> > > > now where the thumbnail seems useful.
> > > >
> > > > Jehan
> > > >
> > > > > P.S.
> > > > > GNOME abandoning the taskbar concept is one of my reasons to
> > > > > not
> > > > > use
> > > > > that DE anymore.
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