Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP UI quality opinion

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Bogdan Szczurek <thebodzio gmail com> wrote:
> W dniu 12-02-16 16:57, Aleksey Midenkov pisze:
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Robert Krawitz<rlk alum mit edu>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:07:51 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Aleksey Midenkov wrote:
>>>>> To Martin: even Save and Save as on toolbar saves one click. Not
>>>>> saying about such repitive operations as Rotate, Resize, Auto levels
>>>>> etc. Now trivial photo treatment is done with the whole lot of clicks!
>>>>> I'm pretty sure their count can be reduced thrice with toolbars.
>>> Generally, you're not doing those things more than once per image (well,
>>> when downscaling a large image by a lot -- say, reducing a 100 megapixel
>>> panorama to a web-size thumbnail -- I do it in multiple passes of no
>>> more than 50% each, which seems to reduce jaggies and moire patterns).
>> Yes once per image, you right. But this doesn't change the point. The
>> click count from menu is at least twice, if from submenu then 3x. Also
>> such functions as 'Autolevel' is 3-4 clicks. When I have 10 photos I
>> need to process in some manner if I spend on one image 20 clicks, it
>> will be 200 clicks. From toolbar it would be, say, 70-90 clicks. And
>> please don't suggest me to write batch script (I know you have that in
>> Gimp).
> Why not? Write a script… or suggest solid action recording. These are the
> ways meant exactly for that kind of work. 40 click or 200 clicks – they'll
> all be annoying just the same :}.

Because each operation on each photo must be eye-controlled. F.ex.
cropping parameters or brightness tuning is different per each image.
Every one and else try to simplify all cases to one solution. But
there are no simple solutions. Somewhere scripts are better, somewhere
(in lots of real cases) not.

>>>> 1. We are aiming at professionals who tend to rely on shortcuts.
>>>> 2. We take a great care providing as much vertical space for actual
>>>> images as possible.
>>> With the increasing prevalence of 16:10 and even worse 16:9 screens,
>>> that's absolutely essential.  Even with my 1920x1200 screen, vertical
>>> space is at more of a premium than horizontal.  With a contemporary
>>> 1920x1080 or worse, the problem would be far more severe.
>> As was said before, good software supplies customizable and stackable
>> toolbars. That means that everyone is free to remove or add toolbars
>> and buttons to his personal needs (and to vertical sides of the screen
>> too). This removes problem with vertical space (which I personally
>> value too) and neglect the statement about cluttered interface. Hey
>> people, don't you really used something like Microsoft Word or
>> LibreOffice to not understand that?! :-) (I'm not yelling)
> I did and am. And that's why I moved gross of my work to apps that can be
> controlled mostly by keyboard :} – it's just much quicker that way. Granted
> – for me… but there are more people to back up this statement. Getting used
> to using your keyboard and shortcuts extensively can be quite demanding, but
> it just pays off in the long term.

I were using Emacs for programming and knew a lot of key-bindings. And
now I prefer KDevelop. So what? That is your experience, and that is

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