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Re: [Geary] Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel

Personally (currently just a user of geary) this seems like it would
only work for very specific scenarios.


I don't think so, as in my opinion significance and meaning of a mail is
generally determined by the person who send it. And seriously, if you
store your real mail, aren't you storing it ordered by the contact who
send it. Or would you order it by the mailbox, the postman dropped it in?


For example as I understand it,
it would break down in case of frequent mails from different adresses


Absolutely not! In contrary it would be rather help full in this case.
If you have a contact with different addresses you would store this
addresses in your contacts address book entry an there for all mail you
got from one person, would be visible under on entry. Same as I said
before. If you think of your real paper mail, would you store it in
different places, when the same sender send it to you from a different
address?


or from unknown adresses.


Even in this case the feature would helpful, if there is more then one
mail from an unknown address it could show it as a smaller filter entry
proposing to add in as a know contact or to add it as a new one.



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel (step21)
   2. Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel (second try)
      (Gunwald Neuhausen)
   3. Re: Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel (second
      try) (Michael Gratton)


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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:24:13 +0200
From: step21 <step21 devtal de>
To: Gunwald Neuhausen <gunwald gmx de>
Cc: Geary <geary-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [Geary] Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel
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Personally (currently just a user of geary) this seems like it would
only work for very specific scenarios. For example as I understand it,
it would break down in case of frequent mails from different adresses
or from unknown adresses. As far as I understand if people are not
using self-organized folders because they prefer it, the main solution
is to provide good search.
So personally, as a user, I would be against geary switching to such a solution.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Gunwald Neuhausen <gunwald gmx de> wrote:

I would like to propose a new function to Geary, which ? in my humble
opinion ? would solve the unsolved problem, how to browse through the huge
amount of mails many of us getting every day.
Nowadays almost every mail client offer a folder view to browse through
different mail accounts and their IMAP folders. With out any question this
is useful, but I think, their would be a better way to browse our mail: To
browse them by contact. There for I would propose to integrate Geary with
the evolution data server, to enable it to show instead of the folder view a
contact view.

This contact view could look similar to the left column of Gnome contacts.
It would list the contacts stored in the evolution data server, but ordered
by the last mails I got or send to them. That means, if I would have got an
mail form contact A three minutes ago, but from contact B 10 seconds ago, B
would be in the first place.
Clicking on the contact would list all mails I ever got from it in the
second pane.
Middle click on it would list all mails I ever send to that contact.
The contact panel would also offer a search field, to search only in the
listed contacts.
Of course the folder tree view should not be completely removed, but you
should switch between the the contact panel and the classic folder tree.

What do you think, of such a feature?

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   1. Re: IMAP / gmail performance? (Michael Gratton)
   2. Re: hidden geary (Michael Gratton)
   3. Re: hidden geary (STRE?NIK)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:36:14 +1000
From: Michael Gratton <mike vee net>
To: Kristian Rink <kawazu428 gmail com>
Cc: geary-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Geary] IMAP / gmail performance?
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Kristian Rink <kawazu428 gmail com>
wrote:

The last of these symptoms is something I kind of managed to track
down
using sql and network logging: Our corporate IMAP server is pretty
large (in terms of mail spool size and in terms of available IMAP
folders for different internal purposes). A load of messages in there
contain *large* attachments (documents between 5 and 50 megabytes of
size). Generally, mail traffic in most of these folders is extremely
high during daytime. Looking at the logs, it seems geary generally
gets
extremely busy periodically iterating across all these folders and
permanently synchronizing / downloading new messages.

Hmm, so are most of these folders in a shared/public IMAP namespace,
that you know of? I.e. folders not in your own personal account? If so,
do you need access to them from Geary?

Unfortunately I haven't found any way to influence this behaviour.
Expectation would be to simply tell the IMAP client to please ignore
certain folders or subfolder hierarchies in the IMAP tree but I
couldn't figure out how to do that (if it's possible with geary after
all...).

This is usually what IMAP mailbox subscriptions are for, and which
would likely take care of this for you ? assuming you don't actually
want to subscribe to those folders. Currently, Geary doesn't pay
attention to that however:
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713449>

Not storing attachments in the database
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714061> and not downloading
attachments by default
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714094> might also help.

//Mike



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:24:28 +0200
From: Gunwald Neuhausen <gunwald gmx de>
To: geary-list gnome org
Subject: [Geary] Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel (second
      try)
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Dear Geray Enthusiasts!

I would like to propose a new function to Geary, which ? in my humble
opinion ? would solve the unsolved problem, how to browse through the
huge amount of mails many of us getting every day.
Nowadays almost every mail client offer a folder view to browse through
different mail accounts and their IMAP folders. With out any question
this is useful, but I think, their would be a better way to browse our
mail: To browse them by contact. There for I would propose to integrate
Geary with the evolution data server, to enable it to show instead of
the folder view a contact view.

 * This contact view could look similar to the left column of Gnome
   contacts.
 * It would list the contacts stored in the evolution data server, but
   ordered by the last mails I got or send to them. That means, if I
   would have got an mail form contact A three minutes ago, but from
   contact B 10 seconds ago, B would be in the first place.
 * Clicking on the contact would list all mails I ever got from it in
   the second pane.
 * Middle click on it would list all mails I ever send to that contact.
 * The contact panel would also offer a search field, to search only in
   the listed contacts.
 * Of course the folder tree view should not be completely removed,
   but you should switch between the the contact panel and the classic
   folder tree.

What do you think, of such a feature?

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Geary does not close with Ctrl+q (Michael Gratton)
   2. Re: WebKit 2 port status? (Michael Gratton)
   3. Re: Fwd: Add an option to alway use separate composing window
      (Michael Gratton)
   4. Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel (Gunwald Neuhausen)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:40:08 +1000
From: Michael Gratton <mike vee net>
To: Federico Bruni <fede inventati org>
Cc: Geary <geary-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [Geary] Geary does not close with Ctrl+q
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Federico Bruni <fede inventati org> 
wrote:

Il giorno dom 18 set 2016 alle 17:21, P?t?r <peturvilj gmail com> 
ha scritto:

Geary does not close with Ctrl+q, other gnome apps does.


I cannot reproduce it on Gnome 3.20.2
Never had this problem.


It works for me under GNOME as well, so I wonder if it's also related 
to XFCE not displaying the app menu? Although this has been reported 
against 0.11.0: <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766601> so 
it's not necessarily related to the gear menu being replaced with an 
app menu.

There may also be some weirdness with how Geary sets up keyboard 
accelerators using the older GtkActions, which may be fixed once we 
migrate the application's actions to use GAction instead.


Bigger problem behind that: Geary is not convenient to use with the 
keyboard. How can I navigate from one inbox to another, between 
mails, folders, accounts ?


We discussed this two years ago :)
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/geary-list/2014-December/msg00028.html

but something has changed since then.
As far as I can see, you can move forward from a pane to another 
(accounts, conversation list, single thread) with TAB and you can 
move backward with Ctrl+Alt+TAB.

I don't think that it's documented.


There's a few keyboard navigation shortcuts documented in the Keyboard 
Shortcuts page of the User Guide Geary that Geary ships with. It's also 
mostly conformant to the standard GNOME keyboard navigation guidelines 
documented here: 
<https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/keyboard-input.html.en>

Also, keynav will be changing a bit in 0.12, as a result of the the GTK 
widgets work and the port to WebKit2GTK, hopefully for the better.

However if there's anything that is specifically not possible using the 
built-in keyboard navigation, then please do file a new bug for it (if 
a bug for it doesn't aleeady exist). Things like having a keyboard 
shortcuts like Ctrl+1/Ctrl+2/etc for switching between accounts might 
make some sense, for example.

//Mike





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:45:42 +1000
From: Michael Gratton <mike vee net>
To: Gunwald Neuhausen <gunwald gmx de>
Cc: geary-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Geary] Feature request: Browse mail by contact panel
      (second try)
Message-ID: <1474433142 22956 0 mail quuxo net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed


Hey Gunwald,

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Gunwald Neuhausen <gunwald gmx de> 
wrote:

I would like to propose a new function to Geary, which ? in my 
humble
opinion ? would solve the unsolved problem, how to browse through 
the
huge amount of mails many of us getting every day.
Nowadays almost every mail client offer a folder view to browse 
through
different mail accounts and their IMAP folders. With out any question
this is useful, but I think, their would be a better way to browse our
mail: To browse them by contact. There for I would propose to 
integrate
Geary with the evolution data server, to enable it to show instead of
the folder view a contact view.


This sounds like an interesting idea. We already would like to 
integrate Geary with EDS[0] so it can use contact information stored 
there. And I have been thinking lately that having a greatly improved 
contextual popovers for contacts[1] when e.g. clicking on they 
name+email in  a message would be a great thing. Also, we're planning 
on revamping the accounts sidebar[2] in the release after next, so this 
is something that could be kept in mind. It could also serve as the 
address book[3], which is something that Geary needs.

As step21 mentioned, it wouldn't work well for unknown contacts, but I 
can see how it would be useful, especially for finding email from 
recently or frequently contacted people.

What does everyone think?

//Mike

[0] - <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714160>
[1] - <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771642>
[2] - <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730712>
[3] - <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714696>
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