Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME
- From: Juan José Sánchez Penas <jjsanchez igalia com>
- To: Jim Gettys <jg freedesktop org>
- Cc: foundation-list gnome org, rms gnu org, andrew operationaldynamics com
- Subject: Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME
- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:12:21 +0100
Actually at Igalia we share your view and concerns, and this is one of the
reasons why we are putting a lot of effort into bringing modern and solid
web technologies to the heart of GNOME, being WebKitGTK+ one of the
key components that can enable the integration that you mention.
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 07:51:27AM -0500, Jim Gettys wrote:
> The point I was trying to make was that HTML 5 (or more formally some
> things, enables offline use of web applications. Think google gears
> use in google calendar and gmail or google air. Note gears was just
> formally abandoned by Google in favor of standards (a good thing, IMHO).
> It is becoming feasible to build applications with those technologies
> that you *can* take with you. In this sense, they become no different
> than software we currently install in conventional ways based on GTK+;
> just more convenient. This is part of the inflection point I believe is
> about to arrive.
> I've seen little discussion on how gnome should be thinking of becoming
> part of an much larger ecosystem of applications that I believe will
> form due to this capability.
> And yes, the end state may be that desktop environments do become
> entirely browser based; this may or may not be a "good thing" (either
> technically, or on software freedom grounds), depending on how the
> process plays out.
> And without thinking this possible trend through, the probability of
> influencing this trend in "good" directions for the social good is
> greatly diminished.
> programs is to "obfuscate" the code
> 1) as a mechanism to "protect IP" (RMS, please don't jump on me here:
> I'm parroting how the companies involved are thinking about it), -
> 2) but also to improve compression of the loading of such programs
> initially. People like Google work *hard* on latency and understand
> every byte counts (among many other things: go look at the google talks
> by their engineers on the topic).
> Right now, these are two disincentives for the source code to be
> available at all.
> As a solution to 2), Gnome (and/or the FSF) could work in the web
> community to standardize mechanisms and code for making such source
> available. So long as solutions to 2) do not exist, we're in a much
> poorer position; free and open source code should not work *worse* than
> proprietary, IMHO.
> I'm concerned to have not seen this sort of strategic issue discussed
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