Re: Show all tags in Albums? (Was: Terminology)

[Michael Knepher <mknepher bluethingy com>]

On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 09:44 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 19/09/06, Thomas PARIS <mercen mercen org> wrote:
> > On Sat Sep 16 at 14:54 (-0400), Warren Baird wrote:
> > > I think the default behaviour should be to show all the tags.   I think
> > > a lot of people will use drag 'n drop to tag new photos.   Imagine the
> > > following.
> > >
> > > I import 50 new photos into a new album.  I want to now apply tags to
> > > these photos, but since they are all new photos and it's a new album -
> > > there are *no* tags showing.    To a naive user, this would be very
> > > confusing.   I definitely think advanced users should have a way to
> > > eliminate tags that aren't used in the album - but it shouldn't be the
> > > default...
> >
> > I cast my vote for a default of not showing unused tags. But that's
> > because I see albums as something used *after* importing and tagging.
> >
> > The way I see it, you import pictures then tag them and finally put them
> > into albums. The default view in f-spot would show all your pictures and
> > you could ask it to show only the pictures from one album. Of course
> > your pictures are still in the list of all your pictures so that adding
> > them to an album does not mean you can't change their tags. It only
> > means you can do it only in the default view (or optionnally in the
> > album view after enabling the "show all tags" option).
> >
> > How does it sound?
> >
> > Heippa,
> > Thomas "mercen" PARIS, now in Paris ;)
> 
> I think like you. The album would be tagged only once. It will be
> viewed hundreds of times later.
> 
> Also, if the default is to show all the tags, then what is the
> difference between tags and albums? The whole album effect could be
> gotten by creating a top-level tag called Albums and adding tags under
> it, each an album.

Think of rhythmbox and your music files. The music file is part of your
library, but it can also be part of a playlist. So an album in f-spot is
nothing more than a playlist of particular photos from the main library.
When you make playlists in rhythmbox, you can include the same song in
more than one playlist without creating a copy of the song. F-spot
should work the same way.

Tags are *not* like playlists. They are arbitrary semantic markers that
make it easier to subjectively identify photos in ways unique to each
individual user (sort of like the genre id3 tag, but with the ability to
apply multiple "genres" to a single photo). So the "album tree" and the
"tag tree" should be completely distinct in the UI. It may be valuable
to have the ability to limit the tag tree to currently applied tags when
viewing an album, but it should be easy to toggle to show all tags,
because not every user (aka, my wife) is going to take the time to tag
their photos before orgainizing them into an album. In fact, she would
find it easier to tag photos in a limited album view than in the library
view.

> 
> As this is a different subject than the Terminology, I'm changing the
> Email Subject. Let's keep the threads seperate.
> 
> Dotan Cohen
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