Re: Tag search for all / any tags

["Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen gmail com>]

On 05/10/06, Warren Baird <photogeekmtl gmail com> wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>  > On 04/10/06, Warren Baird <photogeekmtl gmail com> wrote:
>  >> I think we need to make it easy for the user to decide whether each term
>  >> should be AND/OR and not try to guess which one they want.  I've added a
>  >> number of top level tags, and I wouldn't always want 'AND' to be used
>  >> across them.
>  >
>  > That's why I mentioned that the user could define the behaviour inside
>  > each top-level tag. Explaination below.
>
> I don't think that's enough...   what I mean is that whether I use
> AND/OR has relatively little to do with the top-level category the tags
> are in.  I agree that it's probably *more* likely that AND is the right
> choice between top-level categories and OR within a category - but there
> are definitely times where that isn't the right choice - and it'd be
> nice if there's a way to get the opposite behaviour without having to go
>   to the advanced search...
>
>  > Yes, it might be confusing to have different behaviour for different
>  > conditions. A simple default of AND might then be best.
>
> I doubt it...   I expect that on average, OR will be the right guess
> more often - that's the behaviour we have now, basically...
>
>  > 1) In the Edit Tag dialog of a top-level tag, there could be a
>  > checkbox that makes searches within the top-level tag revert to OR
>  > behaviour. Additionally, in the Preferences there could be an option
>  > to have searches across top-level tags revert to OR as well.
>
> I think this would be pretty confusing to the naive user...
>
>  > 2) Just have everything AND, and when users want something more
>  > powerful, they can fire up the Advanced Search dialog. There's a patch
>  > for that, that worked rather well I believe.
>
> I think this would be moderately un-useful...  most useful queries need
> a mix of AND/OR - forcing the user to go to the dialog to get both
> AND/OR would be annoying...
>
> It seems like a hybrid solution might be best -  default to AND between
> top level categories and OR within them, but provide a relatively easy
> way to switch that default on the fly (modifier key, RMB menu, something
> like that)

This sounds backwards. I think that you meant OR between top level
categories, and AND within them.

> With the current 'OR' based filtering, I find I miss NOT almost as often
> as I miss AND...   providing a way to do that easily also would be
> fantastic...

So what way do you propose to do that? You say that you want it done
easily, without using an advanced dialog. What UI solution do you
propose?

Dotan Cohen
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