Re: [Evolution] Deleted messages not really deleted

[Chris <cpollock embarqmail com>]

On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 17:11 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 19:55 -0600, Chris wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 00:21 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 16:08 -0600, Chris wrote:
> > > > Now to make sense of my subject. If I deleted the messages in my 'Spam'
> > > > folder they are moved to 'Trash' however, they are still in
> > > > ~/Maildir/.Spam/cur. I've noticed this when I moved some false positives
> > > > from the spam folder to my Inbox and ran Spamassassin to report those
> > > > left in the folder. It picked up the ones I'd moved also. The same thing
> > > > happens if I delete some old spam from the folder before running SA.
> > > > This is Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, Gnome 3.12.2 and Evolution 3.12.9. 
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > The Evo spam folder is called Junk. Are we talking about the same thing?
> > > Junk is a virtual folder.
> > >
> > > Trash in Evolution is also a virtual folder. "Moving" a message to Trash
> > > (or equivalently deleting it) simply marks it for deletion, meaning it
> > > shows up in the virtual Trash folder. However it hasn't physically gone
> > > anywhere. This is the way IMAP is designed to work, though some other
> > > MUAs don't seem to realize this. It means that undeleting can be done by
> > > simply flipping the "deleted" bit. To really remove deleted messages you
> > > can either empty the Trash folder (File->Empty Trash) which will remove
> > > all messages marked for deletion in any folder, or more selectively use
> > > Folder->Expunge (or Ctrl-E) which only affects messages in the current
> > > folder.
> > >
> > > Try setting View->Show Deleted Messages to get a better idea of what's
> > > really going on.
> > >
> > > poc
> > Thanks Andre and Patrick, nope, this is an actual Spam folder Patrick
> > where where procmail places spam once it's marked as such by SA which is
> > not being run within Evo.
>
> Fair enough. It doesn't change the thrust of what I was saying, just
> that Junk is another virtual folder.
>
> > Didn't realize I had to expunge the trash
> > folder to remove them, don't remember having to do that with earlier
> > versions of Evo (way earlier than what I'm running now).  
>
> Well, you either expunge the folder which contains the deleted messages,
> or empty the Trash, which does the same thing on every folder containing
> deleted messages, i.e. emptying the Trash is just a shorthand way of
> visiting each folder and expunging it. Evo has always worked this way,
> since it's how IMAP is designed to work. Note that there is a Preference
> option for auto-expunging on exit, so you may have had that enabled.
>
> poc
Thanks Patrick, and that is very possible as I can't honestly remember
back that far. 

Chris

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