Re: [Evolution] IMAP problems with Sent and Trash

[Pete Biggs <pete biggs org uk>]

(Why do people add the name of the person they are replying to to the
subject lines - I don't want my name plastered all over the subject -
the email is NOT about me)

On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 14:31 +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote:
> As others have said, don't bother putting the sent folder on
>         Gmail -
>         Gmail automatically stores any sent mail, so you will be storing
>         it
>         twice.  You'll find the automatically stored stuff in '[Google
>         Mail]/Sent Mail' (well that's where it is on mine).
>
> Understood.  However, if I don't, then Evo will store my sent mail under
> "On this Computer".  I don't want to have to navigate between "On This
> Computer" and "Gmail".  I have collapsed "On This Computer" and don't
> intend on expanding it, since I am working exclusively through "Gmail".
> It's neater and less clumsy.

Why do you want to navigate between the two - all your sent mail is
already in your gmail folder tree *without having to store it there
explicitly*.

>         Because Gmail considers deleted mail to be mail you really,
>         really don't
>         want and empties the "Trash" folder almost immediately. Remember
>         that
>         the Gmail paradigm is that you never delete anything, you use
>         labels to
>         mark things you want filed away somewhere.  Yes, it breaks
>         numerous imap
>         standards; no, Google don't care, it's Google, they know best.
>
> I don't buy that.  if I delete mail in Gmail, through the browser, it
> stays in the Bin for a month.  And if I log onto Gmail (via the
> browser), I can access the deleted mail.  Yet, Evo's Trash folder under
> "Gmail" stores the mail for a few seconds before clearing the folder.
> It doesn't make sense.  

Actually thinking about it - we've both got it wrong.  Remember that
"Trash" is a virtual folder in Evo - it just shows those messages marked
as being deleted, it doesn't actually move any messages anywhere - that
is totally compatible with the IMAP paradigm on deleted messages.

Gmail doesn't work like that - apparently the way it implements the
"deleted" flag is to remove all the labels from the mail.  The mail then
isn't visible in your Inbox, nor is it in the virtual Trash folder
(because it doesn't have a "deleted" flag).  However, and this is
important, the mail is still in your Gmail account - if you look in "All
Mail" on Gmail then your deleted messages are still there, but without
any labels.

The reason it sits there for a few seconds is that Evo at that point is
showing its cached snapshot of the account - they disappear when Evo
syncs back to the server.

It's a clash of the paradigms if you want :-)

P.