Re: [Evolution] TLS/authenticated SMTP

Here's the header from one of my previous messages, with asterisks around the important parts:

From evolution-admin ximian com  Thu Oct  3 14:49:42 2002
Return-Path: <evolution-admin ximian com>
Received: from ( [])
by (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g93InaXN016741;
        Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from (localhost [])
        by (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93Hw2o14846;
        Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:58:02 -0400
Received: from ( [])
        by (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93HvCo14777;
        Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:57:17 -0400

Received: from ( [])
        (user=bnh1 mech=PLAIN bits=0)
        by (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g93Ih1XO011345
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT);
        Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT)

Message-ID: <3D9C8FAF 60307 columbia edu>
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:42:55 -0400
From: ben hall <bnh1 columbia edu>
Reply-To: bnh1 columbia edu
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Jeffrey Stedfast <fejj ximian com>
CC: evolution ximian com
Subject: Re: [Evolution] TLS/authenticated SMTP

Plain is most certainly supported, as are some others. I think the probably is that the university's customized sendmail configuration minimizes feedback to clients.

For instance:

[ben pepu ben]$ telnet 25
Connected to
Escape character is '^]'.
220 ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.3/8.12.3/CU/JPB ready at Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
EHLO Hello [], pleased to meet you
250-SIZE 10000000
250 HELP
503 5.3.3 AUTH not available
502 5.3.0 Sendmail 8.12.3 -- HELP not implemented

The debug information churned out 3591 lines, so I'll give you what i think is the most pertinent:

sending : EHLO^M
received: Hello [], pleased to meet you
This server supports enhanced status codes
received: 250-PIPELINING
received: 250-EXPN
received: 250-VERB
received: 250-8BITMIME
This server supports 8bit MIME
received: 250-SIZE 10000000
received: 250-ETRN
received: 250-STARTTLS
This server supports STARTTLS
received: 250-DELIVERBY
received: 250 HELP
sending : STARTTLS^M
received: 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
sending : MAIL FROM:<bnh1 columbia edu>^M
received: 250 2.1.0 <bnh1 columbia edu>... Sender ok
sending : RCPT TO:<ben benhall com>^M
received: 550 5.7.1 <ben benhall com>... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required.
sending : QUIT^M
received: 221 2.0.0 closing connection

It looks to me like any AUTH stuff is not available until after a STARTTLS has been issued. But i'm not a sendmail guru either. There's no question, however, that our servers support PLAIN authentication over TLS.

Any help is appreciated, I really wish I could get back to using Evolution full-time. It makes pretty much every other mail program out there look like slow, ugly crap.


Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:42, ben hall wrote:

Plain authentication is definitely supported.
I've been (very disappointedly) using mozilla for months now because the university shifted to TLS and authenticated smtp and evolution didn't support it. Mozilla pops up a box for a password and is definitely using TLS and Plain text. Interestingly enough, when I try to "Check for supported types" under the authentication method section for the smtp preferences, all types are greyed out afterwards... I'll keep digging i guess.

this means the server doesn't support any authentication mechanisms (or
at least none that we support - which is quite a big list).

export CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1; killev; evolution-mail

a few seconds later, start evolution (when evolution-mail says it's
ready). Try sending a mail. The evolution-mail process will spew some
debug spew (sending/received lines will appear).


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