Re: [Evolution] Still having trouble sending via evolution (after mozilla install)

[Mike Gifford <mike openconcept ca>]

Hello Not Zed, 

On Sun, 2002-06-23 at 07:05, Not Zed wrote: 
> > Nothing much..  There are two boxes..  On the left it says 'SENDING
> > "[WHATEVER MY MESSGE TITLE IS" (...)' and on the right it says 'Sending
> > message (0% complete)' 
> Ok, well a more useful log should be generated if you do this:
> start evolution-mail in its own shell, setting CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 in
> the environment.
> e.g.
>  CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution-mail
> Then run evolution as normal.
OK..  I did that and then posted the results when it froze up here: 
http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26112
> Here you'll get the direct conversation with the server, and not the tcp
> headers and whatnot - its easier to read.
Very true..  Thanks! 
 
> Second, if you have the task boxes still running, it means its either:
> still busy, or deadlocked, or perhaps some combination thereof.  So a
> useful thing is then to re-do it, and run evolution:
This does seem to be what is happening.. 
 
> gdb evolution-mail
> (gdb) r
>  (and wait a while while it starts up)
This is instead of the previous effort as evolution-mail can only run
once, right? 
 
> Then when it gets into that state, go back to gdb and type ctrl-c and
> then
> (gdb) thread apply all bt
Interesting..  Hadn't ever wondered into this piece of gnome.. 

> And send me the output of that.  Actually it would be better to create a
> bug on bugzilla.ximian.com and assign it to notzed ximian com and attach
> the info there.
I did create a new bug report: 
http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26885

I had assigned you to it, but didn't create a summary so I had to go
back and do that..  At that point your email got nixed and I didn't
notice so it went to the general bug delivery email. 

> > Usually after 5 or so minutes a message will bounce back up to the
> > screen with an error if it hasn't been sent..  
> > Error while 'Sending "RE: Proposal"': 
> > DATA response error: message termination: Service not available, closing
> > transmission channel: mail not sent 
> That sounds like its more of a server issue :-/  but the logs and
> backtrace should help to identify it - at worst evolution *should*
> recover from this anyway and not lockup forever.
Yes..  Especially as it has been working in the past..  Just the last
two weeks or so which have been hellish trying to send mail.  It was
right before the mozilla 1.0 ximian release - seemed to be working fine
and then.... 
 
> > However that isn't where the loss of data is occurring..  I'm loosing
> > data as I have to exit from evolution (interrupting the send - as it
> > just isn't going anywhere).  When I boot back up Evolution is smart
> > enough to know that it hasn't sent the messages, but I'm not sure
> > exactly where it pulls out the last saved version from..  It certainly
> > isn't from when I press send (though it is pretty close to then)..  So I
> > end up having to rewrite a paragraph a few times if I'm not so lucky.. 
> > (keeps getting shorter each time).. 
> Ahh ok, thats part of the auto-save code, which runs every minute or
> something while you're editing, but it gets turned off as soon as you go
> to send it, and obviuosly isn't saving the full message either.  Maybe
> that should be looked at.
Would be good to saved when it is sent aswell as every minute.  Just
cause if it doesn't go through - would be nice if it wasn't lost.. 

Another slight issue is that it seems to loose line breaks..  There
should be an extra space between the > carroted lines and my response
that just doesn't appear when a saved document is restored. 
 
> > > > this is a big drag..  I'm running Red Hat 7.2..  I've got the  latest snapshot 
> > > > from evolution & mozilla..
> > > If you continue to have problems and you need something to work, perhaps
> > > using the local sendmail to deliver mail is a more reliable option (if
> > > its not some remote secured smtp server at least).
> > I've been trying that.. Took a bit between the exim list and the local
> > Linux Group for me to figure out that my ISP is an 'evil' ISP that
> > doesn't allow incoming our outgoing calls on port 25 (with the exception
> > of their mail server)..  Looking at setting up a port over freeSwan to
> > someone who has a better ISP.. 
> Ugh.  Well actually you should be able to just setup a 'dumb' mail
> server which just takes locally delivered mail (or via port 25), and
> just always forwards it to another server.  The good thing about this is
> that if you have a flakey network connection, or aren't always
> connected, you can still send mail, and it will get queued and retried
> as much as you want to tell it to, until it gets through - and any mail
> server will alwys be better at doing this than evolution ever will. 
> That should probably still be able to work in your case too.
I may try again to set something like this up..  Just seems like such a
pain and I'm already quite behind..  ARg..  the fun of being a
consultant!  :) 

Mike 
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