Re: [Evolution-hackers] Interface to Junk versus Not Junk buttons

[Joe Kelsey <joe zircon seattle wa us>]

On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 09:12 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 14:32 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: 
> > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 11:39 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 13:41 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: 
> > > > On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 23:27 -0500, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 15:47 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
> > > > > > I want to interface Evolution to my personal spam filter.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How to I make it use my personal spam filter to train on Junk versus
> > > > > > Not
> > > > > > Junk?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do not ever intend to use SpamAssassin.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for any help in this area.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That best would be probably to write a "spamc" client for your spam
> > > > > filter...
> > > > 
> > > > OK, so how about if I just implement my own personal spam filter which
> > > > adds the X-Spam-Flag header to incoming mail?  I really think the whole
> > > > spamc/spamd interface just reeks and I do not want to do it.  If
> > > > Evolution sees the X-Spam-Flag will it automatically put it in Junk?
> > > No it wont, but you can add something that can do it easily.
> > > 
> > > e.g. you just add your X-Spam-Flag or whatever, and then you have a
> > > filter test which sets the junk flag if it is set to the right thing.
> > 
> > I am really sick of this whole concept.  I just want to do something
> > simple, but every time I try, Evolution gets in my way.  Why can't you
> > just do something simple?  Why do you have to make it complicated at
> > every single turn?
> If a one line filter script is complex, then perhaps you're trying to
> reach beyond your skill set. 

To just reach the point where I can understand the simplest of the
requirements takes hours of searching through source.  None of the
Evolution documentation even lightly addresses this topic.

> > > > Also, how do I track down what actually happens when I use the Junk/Not
> > > > Junk buttons?  I can tag incoming mail as I want, but *exactly* what
> > > > happens when I press Junk or Not Junk?  How does it interact with the
> > > > actual junk interface?
> > > For this the easist way is similar to the original suggestion, by
> > > writing your own sa-learn, or whatever the command is it calls when
> > > you press those buttons.
> > > 
> > > There is no way to 'plug in' new interfaces at present, even though
> > > the junk stuff is reasonably modular and is called
> > > 'camel-junk-plugin'.
> > 
> > Well, after searching blindly through the mess of source, I finally
> > found it in mail/em_junk_filter.c.  What a heaping load of rubbish.
> > This is the worst, undocumented pile of carp I have seen in quite a
> > while!
> Well i'm sure radek will be glad to hear that.
> > What are the chances that you will actually allow others to add
> > something to this at some time in the future.  As I have said,
> > SpamAssassin stinks.  The interface to spamc/spamd stinks.  sa-learn
> > stinks.  Evolution junk interface stinks since it is tied exclusively to
> > stinking spamassassin.  Unless there is movement away from spam
> > assassin, I plan to move away from evolution.
> Well, personally - good riddance, we don't need this attitude around
> here.

All it takes is an explanation in the documentation of exactly where and
when the system calls which external program with the exact arguments
used.  Once that documentation appears, then someone else can come along
and write something to perform a similar function.  You seem to feel
that doing something secretly is better than actually documenting what
you do.

/Joe