Re: [Evolution-hackers] spam filtering

[Radek Doulík <rodo ximian com>]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 18:35, Mark Gordon wrote:
> 3. The fastest menu to reach is the one located where you already are. 
> Fitts' Law.
> 
> Then again, the HIG says on popup-menus:
> 
> "Popup menus need to be as simple as possible to maximize their
> efficiency. Do not place more than about ten items on a popup menu, and
> do not use submenus."
> 
> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/menus.html#menu-type-popup
> 
> I count 17 items in the popup menu (in 1.4.5) for the email to which I'm
> responding, including two submenus.  I'm not sure what it would have in
> 2.0, though.

ha, interesting.

so shouldn't context menu then have only/mostly items which doesn't
apply on all messages, but are defined by context? spam flag
setting/unsetting should go there then. while for example "Reply" is not
context sensitive, you may reply to any message. I am probably taking
this too far, but it may be good criteria for reducing that menu?

Cheers
Radek

> 
> -Mark Gordon
> 
> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:20, Anna Marie Dirks wrote:
> > Hi there, Radek.
> > 
> > Yes, I would add an item to the context menu as well. Here's why: 
> > 
> >      1. There are people, especially those who are accustomed to using
> >         Windows systems, who take great comfort in the presence of a
> >         context menu. If you ever watch Keelyn or Clara (both of whom
> >         are very experienced Windows users) use Evolution, you'll find
> >         that they constantly right-click on messages, because they think
> >         of this as being the quickest and easiest way to understand what
> >         the options related to a given message are. People have as many
> >         different ways of filing their email as they do of tying their
> >         shoes. :) Our job is to accomodate them (as is practical given
> >         our available resources), not to pass judgment on the relative
> >         value of their patterns.
> >      2. The context menu gives the impression of containing a complete
> >         list of the actions available for a given message. To omit this
> >         command would be to sacrifice the integrity of the context menu.
> >         (Because one couldn't rely on the context menu for a complete
> >         list of one's options anymore.) Doubt! Despair! Dejection!
> > 
> > Does that make sense? 
> > 
> > best, 
> > Anna
> > 
> > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:02, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 22:32, Anna Marie Dirks wrote:
> > > > Yes, a keyboard shortcut would be good.
> > > > 
> > > > We are going to need to redo the menus a bit for 2.0. They are currently
> > > > badly organized, and full of cruft. When I am preparing the menu spec
> > > > for 2.0, I will include a proposed keybinding for this.. I can't hope to
> > > > tell you off the top of my head which letters will be available at that
> > > > time, though. :)
> > > 
> > > do you think it's also necessary to have [No]Spam in popup menu? I think
> > > when it's already available on toolbar and in menu there's no reason to
> > > have it in popup as well - it easier reachable by mouse on toolbar (one
> > > click)
> > > 
> > > cheers
> > > Radek
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Anna
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:16, Mark Gordon wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:27, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >       * new [No]Spam button on toolbar and item in menubar
> > > > > >         Actions/[No]Spam. when message was identified as Spam,
> > > > > >         button/item says NoSpam to revive the message from Spam folder
> > > > > >         (spam flag is set to false and incoming message filters are
> > > > > >         applied). For nospam messages it says spam to mark message as
> > > > > >         Spam (spam flag is set to true and message is moved to Spam
> > > > > >         folder).
> > > > > 
> > > > > It would probably be good to have this in a context (right-click) menu
> > > > > as well.  A keyboard shortcut might not be a bad idea, though I'm not
> > > > > completely sure what key combination I'd want to assign to it.  Anna?
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Mark Gordon
> > > > > 
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