Re: promoting good gnome apps via news.gnome.org

[Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me>]

Not to promote, but Linux Plumbers Conference is exactly about solving this kind of stuff.  If someone was willing to write a paper about PackageKit or something like that would be really good so that we can highlight this problem.  Then we can work on it together to move Linux forward.  Does that make sense?  (papers are due by Monday!  So we can still ge ta paper in!)

sri

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy gnome org> wrote:

I think this is a problem that will have to be solved with all the distros in a room. Unless we come up with a solution that is so elegant end-users just use it.

 

Saying we shouldn't do an installer because each distro is different, is ignoring a user problem. apt-get and yum are beyond the average user that I think we are trying to target ... (If we ever want more than 10% market share, we can't count apt-get and yum as solutions. We also can't live in a world where you have to use multiple installers. Last time I installed something on Ubuntu, I used their installer and then got sent to synaptic.)

 

Stormy

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Brian Cameron <Brian Cameron sun com> wrote:

Dave:

I am against any Linux ISD (including ourselves) trying to provide a one-size-fits-all installer, until a packaging system that allows that comes along. I have high hopes for PackageKit, but in the meantime, your goal should not be to give people installers, but to document installing it on the most popular distributions (Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSe) with generic "apt-get" or "yum" instructions. Each distribution has a distribution specific installer, that is what we should be targeting.

I have to say that I agree with you.  I know, for example, that Sun
Microsystems patches the upstream code in numerous ways to make the code
work on Solaris/OpenSolaris.  We work hard to get our patches upstream,
but there is usually a lag time and some modules are not well maintained
(we have patches in bugzilla for modules like libgnome and gnome-vfs
that have sat idle for years).

Providing an installer that provides builds that are not provided by
distro are bound to not have such needed patches and modifications, be
hard to support, and will likely not work well or as users expect.

Perhaps, instead of providing an installer, we could just point users
towards the correct resources to get the latest code from their distro
directly?  Or perhaps we could write a wrapper script that provides a
common interface for the various distro update systems?

Brian

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