Re: DSF Tagging - Feedback
- From: Scott Furry <scott wl furry gmail com>
- To: easytag-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: DSF Tagging - Feedback
- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:25:39 -0700
Ran,
I can see your point. We did divert down the rabbit hole to Wonderland
of id3tags a little. :-)
However, I don't think its fair to say the blame with dsf files and id3
tag read/write rests solely with EasyTag. The issue is a little more
complicated than that. One page I ran across during our discussions
mentioned that id3 is not apart DSDIFF standard (compressed DSD if I
read it right). And it is not all together clear from the readings I
found whether id3 is supported/considered in the DSD spec (one page
mentioned dff only supports artists/album but not id3).
Yes, let's sort out what moving part is not doing what it should.
However, let's also keep an open mind about where the "blame" lies -
EasyTag? libid3tag? libav? some other library? DSD spec?
That's why I responded to this thread as I did. A lot of "volunteer"
work goes into making open source programs.
Scott
On 11/20/2014 07:15 AM, Ran Perry wrote:
Scott,
We are diverting from the issue. If EasyTag and MPD use the same
library to read tags, there should be some compatibility in the way
tags are parsed. I will check with other applications but this is the
fist time I am seeing this behavior. Please feel free to compile and
test :-)
Ran
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Scott Furry
<scott wl furry gmail com <mailto:scott wl furry gmail com>> wrote:
Stores may sell audio files in that format, but the library to
manipulate those files may be licensed. This was the fiasco with
not having mp3 codec in linux some time ago.
As you observed...changing a tag in a dsf file causes it to be
unreadable in another application. The explanation can be one of
several things, just not necessarily with EasyTag. Please remember
that EasyTag will call another library to do the writing of
information to the file. Maybe that library is the issue.
Again...id3 is not a rule, just a suggestion. And there are lots
of digitally moving parts involved here.
S
On 11/19/2014 09:41 PM, Ran Perry wrote:
No licensing issues. You can download dsf files from various
on line stores. As for tagging, I see this as an issue because
even if you tag a dsf file with a different application,
opening the files with EasyTag will show you the correct tags.
If you just change one field, let say add "test" to the
"commnet" field and save, EasyTag will save with no issues.
MPD will not read the tags. So, if EasyTag can read the tags
but upon saving something weird happens, some explanation is
required.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Scott Furry
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Have a look at this - http://id3.org/ID3v2Easy
Then ask the question "does dsf spec allow for non-music or
information frames in the format?".
Reading the wiki page for it
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital) I would
gather this is a "niche", vendor specific format that
people in
the open source community have not spent a lot of time on.
IANAL,
but licensing may also be an issue.
S
On 11/19/2014 09:25 PM, Ran Perry wrote:
If I tag a FLAC and MP3 files with EasyTag, MPD will
read them
without a problem. DSF, which should work in the same
way has
this problem. So, I believe the issue is specifically
within
the dsf tagging.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Scott Furry
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A quick look at MPD's dependencies (old wiki? -
http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Development_Dependencies_on_Debian_Derivitive)
shows libid3tag is required. So MPD should read
id3 tags.
Assuming
its been programmed to accept or look for id3 tags
in a
dsf file.
If you can see the id3 tags in a dsf file after
setting
them in
EasyTag and re-parsing the file. EasyTag is not
the issue.
Again,
not all libraries/developers are "aware" to look
for tags
in some
audio files.
Maybe a id3/dsf extension for mpd is needed?
S
On 11/19/2014 09:08 PM, Ran Perry wrote:
Agreed. I don't care much about Foobar. My
main listening
application is MPD which cannot read the tags
as well. I
believe MPD uses the same libraries as EasyTag.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Scott Furry
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FYI - id3 is not an RFC or other
specification -
just a
defined/documented format that others have
agreed
to use -
sort of.
I have encountered applications that tag files
using app-only
defined tag names - just not necessarily ones
spelled out
in the
id3 documents. Just because an application
doesn't
recognize tags
written to id3 headers in a
non-mp3/ogg/flac file
does not
put the
problem with EasyTag.
I would check with "FooBar" docs/src to
ensure the tag
they are
looking for are the same ones spelled out
in id3
(and not
"foobar-artist" or something similar).
S
On 11/19/2014 08:29 PM, Ran Perry wrote:
OK, Some progress. EasyTag does not crash
anymore and
the only
things I see when I run backtrace is a
message
about new
threads. Now, the problem I am
experiencing is
that
although
EasyTag can successfully tag dsf files
(both
2.3 and
2.4), no
other application can read those tags.
EasyTag
will
write and
read the tags without a problem but other
applications
will
show no tags.
This is how EasyTag sees the files:
http://imgur.com/s15xa9V
And this is how FooBar sees them:
http://imgur.com/cLT58Yp
Backtrace log:
[New Thread 0x7fffe5543700 (LWP 16465)]
[New Thread 0x7fffc6ffd700 (LWP 16467)]
[New Thread 0x7fffc77fe700 (LWP 16468)]
[Thread 0x7fffe5543700 (LWP 16465) exited]
[Thread 0x7fffc6ffd700 (LWP 16467) exited]
[Thread 0x7fffc77fe700 (LWP 16468) exited]
Thanks,
Ran
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Ran Perry
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Please ignore. Issue solved. Let
the testing
commence....
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM,
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This is the output when
running configure:
Configuration for EasyTAG 2.3.1 :
--------------------------------
Source code location ....: .
Host System Type ........:
x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
Preprocessor ............: gcc
Deprecation defines .....:
-DG_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES
-DGTK_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES
-DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
-DGLIB_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED=GLIB_VERSION_2_32
-DGLIB_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED=GLIB_VERSION_2_32
-DGDK_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED=GDK_VERSION_3_4
-DGDK_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED=GDK_VERSION_3_4
Compiler ................: gcc
-g -O2
Compiler warnings .......: -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes
-Wnested-externs
-Werror=missing-prototypes
-Werror=implicit-function-declaration
-Werror=pointer-arith
-Werror=init-self
-Werror=format-security
-Werror=format=2
-Werror=missing-include-dirs
-Werror=declaration-after-statement
C++ Compiler warnings ...: -Wall
-Werror=missing-prototypes
-Werror=implicit-function-declaration
-Werror=pointer-arith
-Werror=init-self
-Werror=format-security
-Werror=format=2
-Werror=missing-include-dirs
-Werror=declaration-after-statement
Linker ..................: gcc
MP3 file support ........: yes
ID3v2.3 tags support ....: yes
(id3lib-3.8.3)
Ogg Vorbis file support .: yes
Ogg Speex file support ..: yes
Ogg Opus file support ...: no
FLAC file support .......: yes
MP4 file support ........: yes
WavPack support .........: yes
NLS/gettext .............: yes
Nautilus actions ........: no
Tests during make check .: yes
Install prefix ..........:
/usr/local
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:03
PM, David
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I have started fresh
with a new
directory and
EasyTag
still cannot detect
dsf files.
I double-checked, and the
changes
were for
writing DSF
tags, so it is very likely
a local
configuration
problem.
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