Re: gnome-screensaver: Up for grabs?

On 27/07/16 14:55, Alberts Muktupāvels wrote:

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Ikey Doherty
<michael i doherty intel com <mailto:michael i doherty intel com>> wrote:

    On 21/07/16 14:27, Bastien Nocera wrote:
    > On Thu, 2016-07-21 <tel:2016-07-21> at 14:12 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
    >> Hi;
    >> On 21 July 2016 at 13:42, Ikey Doherty <michael i doherty intel com <mailto:michael i doherty intel 
    >> wrote:
    >>> So Jeremy Bicha kindly contacted me the other day to express
    >>> concern
    >>> with Budgie/GNOME Screensaver. I had been toying with the notion of
    >>> forking GNOME Screensaver due to its deadness, and making it work
    >>> better for Budgie/Modern GNOME integration.
    >>> Jeremy correctly pointed out it might be worth maintaining the
    >>> project instead, which I'm up for.
    >> AFAIR, gnome-screensaver is part of the "Flashback" session:

I would not say that gnome-screensaver is part of Flashback session, but
yes - we currently use it.

So at present it is part of flashback, an integral component.

    >> given that it uses Metacity.
    > I don't know how well that works, or whether they've replaced gnome-
    > screensaver and gnome-settings-daemon yet. I refused to add hacks to
    > gnome-settings-daemon to make it work under GNOME Flashback as there
    > were just too many things that wouldn't work properly with it.

No, we have not replaced gnome-screensaver and gnome-settings-daemon.
And currently I don't plan to replace gnome-settings-daemon.

GNOME + (gnome-applets, gnome-flashback, gnome-panel and metacity) ==
GNOME Flashback:
This is how I see Flashback session, I don't want to start fork projects
to keep them almost identical.

Fair do.

About mentioned hacks, there are two things:
- appmenu button that is needed in our session, but is hidden because
gnome-settings-daemon sets Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu when org.gnome.Shell
bus name appears. This can be solved with small patch- by not calling
start_shell_monitor if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP contains "GNOME-Flashback".
- default button-layout is not good for Flashback session... but I am
against adding hack for this in gss, here I would like to see
per-session gsettings overrides (session-dependent defaults). That also
would allow to drop hack that is used for GNOME Classic session.

If something is moved from gss to mutter/gnome-shell, I can make/add
needed changes in gnome-flashback. It would be really nice if small
changes could be accepted.

    FWIW in Budgie we added a "Shell Shim" D-BUS API in budgie-wm, the
    Mutter wrapper, to implement that compatability, and proxy some calls
    back to the panel manager, i.e. for GTK+ ops, such as the

    > I think a fork/rename would be the best option to avoid confusion in
    > the bug tracker. Given the number of time I have to reassign bugs about
    > the desktop file manager window to nautilus from gnome-desktop, it
    > would probably be best if bugs weren't stuck there.

    OK so if the Flashback guys aren't interested in GNOME Screensaver
    longevity (Given the aims _do_ include modernisation on my end, which
    might conflict with Flashback goals) then what's the best course?

For long time I already want/plan to merge gnome-screensaver into
gnome-flashback. It will give more freedom to make needed changes
without affecting any other users and/or sessions that still use
gnome-screensaver. So I guess I can say that we are not interested in
GNOME Screensaver as standalone module.

..So.. you're forking it, contrary to what you said above. Into your own
gnome-flashback component.

Well with that in mind, as nobody is interested in this deadtech (Can't
say as people can be blamed on that!) - I'll re-eval gnome-screensaver,
and if necessary, steal the bits into Budgie.

If I do end up forking it, well, nobody can complain, I did offer :)

- ikey

    Ideally I want to get this thing cleaned up so we can avoid more dead
    forks like light-locker and the likes. Fundamental selfish aim for
    me is of course Budgie interoptability (Which will serve us until Budgie
    12, when we're Wayland, but it would continue to be maintained)

    - ikey
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