Re: Design in the open

[Bastien Nocera <hadess hadess net>]

On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 16:52 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote:
> 2012/4/27 Allan Day <allanpday gmail com>:
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Luca Ferretti <lferrett gnome org> wrote:
> >> 2012/4/25 Allan Day <allanpday gmail com>:
> > ...
> >> So, IMHO a design driven GNOME needs good desing documents. The
> >> "design document is a written contract"[4] between designers and other
> >> teams, more time you spend writing it, less time you'll spend explaing
> >> here on desktop devel list :)
> > ...
> >
> > For me, design in the open is about developers and designers working
> > together as partners, not hyper-specified design documents.
> 
> Wait. I never said to keep apart designers and developers. As communty
> we have the great advantage and opportunity to work together. But
> while some developers and some designers could need or like to be
> closer in order to produce a better software or experience, I believe
> it's also fair to let other contributors and community members to be
> well informed about what's happening and why.
> 
> > That might
> > not give observers as much to see, but it provides contributors with a
> > real opportunity to shape our project.
> 
> So, for example, as release team member, all I currently know about
> new Videos app proposal, based on availabe info on mailing list and
> wiki, is:
>    * will resemble similar existing apps for tablets, but GNOME style
>    * will use clutter APIs

Totem already uses Clutter.

>    * will be developed inside totem source tree (replacing?)

Yes. I think both the feature page and the mail to this list made it
pretty clear, even if glibly.

> If I'm right there is no code yet available on git to check.

All the code that's been written is available in master. The new optical
media plugin for grilo is in grilo-plugins master, the merge into the
video widget of the OSD is done is in totem master, etc.

> I don't want and I don't have time and resources to help you with
> design or code writing. But I'm involved in this change and I feel I
> need more info[1]. And developers will need r-t approval before
> proceding with this change.

Not wishing to diminish the role of the release-team, but if you expect
being able to block Totem/Videos from 3.6 when both the developers and
the designers agree it's the way forward, I think you're very mistaken.

And the reason why I did not answer your mail is because the questions
were already answered in my original mail.

> Now, do I have to ping people involved or simply I've to trust them?
> Can we be helpful each other writing more informations (neither final
> in stone, nor iperdetailed, just more) somewhere? Or a different
> proposal path (the one suggested by Rodrigo, for instace) could be
> more effective?
> 
> Cheers,
> Luca
> 
> [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-April/msg00135.html



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