Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

[Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me>]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Shaun McCance <shaunm gnome org> wrote:

On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote:

> Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything
> the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under
> live.gnome.org/Design.

I think people are more concerned about being able to have input
on the process, not on seeing the results published on the wiki.
I'm on #gnome-design all day. I often skim the backlog. I don't
really see the discussion that leads to the results. Sometimes
I see mention of meetings. I don't know where those meetings
happen.

In addition, there is no mailing list either(*).  So it's hard to really gauge what people look at when they go through the design.  Having an idea at least for me is great since I do challenge people who do not like our designs in the open source community and it's hard for me to counter arguments like "suspend" vs "shutdown" if I don't have a line of insight on what goes on there.

Design team needs to give some of us who are trying to show that the designs that are coming up are in fact good but sometimes we are not given the tools for the designs that have already been completed.

Sometimes I feel that some people have developed a 'bunker' attitude and are so shell shocked from the waves of negativity that they don't want to engage.  That's fine, but some of us can take a lot more abuse than others.  I'm more than happy to do it.

In the absence of engagement or even a good experience breeds intolerence and resentment in a vacuum.  I don't feel that way, cuz I'm an old fart and been in this project like forever.  I've probably known some of you since you had your first taste of beer.

> Of course it would be really fancy if the wiki also contained the
> reasoning behind decisions, but let's face it - none of us does
> anything like that (I doubt you are adding comments like "Using a
> full-blown GObject rather than a boxed type here because ..." or "This
> variable is a double and not an integer because ..." to your code - I
> certainly don't. Still, wouldn't that be helpful for newcomers?).

That sounds like exactly the sort of thing I write in my git
commit messages. I hope you do too.

Hah, I do that too.. and not because to be helpful to newcomers.  When I write code I end up not looking at it again for 6 months and I need sometime look at my stream of conciousness again.

sri

 

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Shaun



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