Re: 3.4 Features, final round

["Jasper St. Pierre" <jstpierre mecheye net>]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Seif Lotfy <seif lotfy com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Florian Müllner <fmuellner gnome org>
> wrote:
>>
>> On dom, 2011-11-06 at 22:52 +0100, Seif Lotfy wrote:
>> > "What you see" for me doesnt necessarily mean that the program
>> > populates the jumplist alone. It means the items in the jumplist are
>> > prgram specific.
>>
>> To me it means that the application is in control of what appears in the
>> jumplist, not necessarily that it is responsible for specifying the
>> exact set of items. So I can imagine some "gnome-recent-items" action
>> which is translated appropriately by the shell if included in
>> the .desktop file, but I would not expect anything in the jumplist if
>> the application does not specify anything.
>
> However if the app doesn't specify a list why not have a fallback option.
> Mostly you will end up using it in cases like gedit, rhythmbox, totem,
> epiphany and event documents. In that case I suggest the usage of zeitgeist
> and not gtk.recentmanager. Since such lists are dynamic i don't find it
> appropriate to keep updating the .desktop file with recently/most used every
> time the app is used. If apps really would do that I would suggest them push
> directly into zeitgeist.

I've spoken to a few people about this before. My idea is that I'd
like to see Gtk.RecentManager either use Zeitgeist, or be deprecated
and replaced by a wrapper to Zeitgeist, or something. The less
intersecting APIs we have, the better. Federico has already written
about this a bit here:

    https://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/GtkRecentManagerAndZeitgeist

But I'm unsure of the status right now.

>> > Unless we provide the recentlyused and mostused files in the .desktop
>> > file the only way for the jumplist to populate itself with such items
>> > is if the app is running and pushed them into the jumplists.
>>
>> I don't agree with the notion that "jumplist == recently/frequently used
>> files" - for instance for Evolution, I would expect actions like "New
>> mail" or "Open calendar", but not a list of recently read emails
>> cluttering the list (even when that data is available in
>> gtkrecent/zeitgeist).
>
> I comepletely agree with you that jumplists is more than most/recent items.
> I never claimed otherwise.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>
> Seif
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  Jasper