Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup
- From: Allan Day <allanpday gmail com>
- To: Michael Terry <mike mterry name>
- Cc: Desktop Hackers <desktop-devel-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup
- Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:28:23 +0100
Thanks for all of this. Let me reiterate that I *really* want to see
Deja Dup in 3.2. We just need to figure out how to make it work.
Michael Terry wrote:
> On 12 May 2011 17:05, Allan Day <allanpday gmail com> wrote:
> > I presume you'd be happy for Deja Dup to become a GNOME Control Center
> > panel?
> Depends on what you mean. I'm happy for Deja Dup to be shown as a
> panel in the control center. But it sounds like you're asking about
> actually putting it in the control center git tree? I guess I don't
> see the point.
> * I'd like to continue to support GTK-but-not-GNOME platforms (why
> not?) even if only as second-class citizens. So I'll probably add a
> preference dialog that simply wraps the deja-dup control panel for
> such cases. Having the panel be out-of-trunk makes that unnecessarily
It makes it harder, I guess. Whether it is unnecessary depends on your
point of view. ;)
> * I assume the rest of deja-dup would be a separate module, so now it
> would be split across modules, losing the ability to share
> translations or logic. I'd have to write a library to share some of
> the logic bits. So that would be more work.
> * The only reason to be in tree that I can see is that g-c-c plans to
> drop the API for panels? But that is a separate thread.
And what a thread it is...
> > If Deja Dup is accepted, we'll need to work together and GNOME
> > contributors (developers, designers, bug reporters and triagers,
> > translators, documentors, etc) will want to contribute to Deja Dup. How
> > will they do that?
> My intent is to achieve high levels of collaboration.
Great to hear! GNOME has a lot to offer; we could achieve great things
> I have lots of
> ideas about how the GNOME community and LP projects can have tighter
> integration. I can defend why LP works for me, but that's not
> entirely the point here I feel.
> It could be so easy to collaborate! We could mirror bzr trunk in git,
> grant permissions to bzr trunk to an automatically sync'd group on LP,
> grant permissions to the translation web UI+trunk to the GNOME
> translation team.
> I could move my mailing list. I like to think the
> project already works well with GNOME designers (you and I have done a
> review before). Etc.
Moving the mailing list would be helpful for design collaboration, I
think. I'm kinda happy to follow your current LP list, but other
designers might not be.
> So the big question to GNOME is how much do ya'll want to avoid the
> extra step of such collaboration for Features you consider part of
> your core? Is that a hard-blocker? Who gets to decide if it is?
> I'm theoretically open to moving infrastructure, pending a weighing of
> benefits. But I'm also curious if GNOME is even theoretically open to
> me not moving.
It's the release team who decide in the final instance. (So see Fred and
Olav's messages. :) ) My personal view is that we should be flexible,
provided that we can find a way to effectively work together.
Would you be willing to use GNOME Bugzilla?
> > See my other message on the branding question - this isn't necessarily a
> > problem. I'm just interested to hear your thoughts on how Deja Dup will
> > be branding itself as a standalone application.
> I had envisioned the same way as a non-standalone app. It would
> appear as "Backup" to the user. Either as a standalone preference
> dialog or control center panel. But I've been thinking it needs to
> show its brand name at least once (I currently show it in the welcome
> screen). That way users know what they are getting.
> Now if your question is really about what that brand is ("GNOME
> Backup" vs "Deja Dup") that's a different issue that I'm just now
> guessing you meant?
> I don't feel strongly on the name presented to users. I'm open to
> feedback here. It could maybe even be presented differently if
> deja-dup is a standalone app vs a panel?
Thanks, that's really useful. This is somewhat new territory for GNOME,
so it's nice to know we have the flexibility to work things out.
IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org
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