Hi! > To *who* does it feel that way? If you're going to insinuate that > people have tried to get involved and been rebuffed, then I think the > responsibility here falls to you to provide an example. Please don't > talk around the accusation by inferring that it's some kind of RH > conspiracy. It's not. First, I hope that people who know me wouldn't ever think that I would be searching for a RH conspiracy especially as I have met quite a couple of the people working for RH on those projects. Second, I have followed the discussion on gnome-shell-list for quite some time where design was of course often pretty controverse. I took the time to understand most of this but at the few times I complained ([1] and [2]) the design team didn't really explain their reasoning in a broad way. Third, I don't want to complain against anybody in person and I think that all the people involved do their best but still I think that there are communication issues with our design process especially with end-user feedback. My aim is to improve that. At some of the hackfests, I talked to some people about those things and there are quite a few that feel the same way but I don't want to speak for others. Regards, Johannes [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457 [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647442
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