Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo <wingo pobox com> wrote:
>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras <felipe contreras gmail com> writes:
>>> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people
>>> have an opinion?
>> You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the small points,
>> but you ignore the feedback of greater importance.
>> My opinion is that you are not the right person to lead an effort to
>> gather feedback on GNOME.
> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
> GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
> In the meantime, this is the best that we have. I will continue
> listening for constructive feedback, but comments such as "this is not
> good", "you are doing it wrong", "it's impossible", lead to nowhere.
> Besides, as Alan Cox said, it doesn't have to be perfect, like
> software, we can learn from the mistakes of the 2011 survey, and make
> a better one for 2012. Can we not?

Hi again,

I actually thought that Andy's feedback was constructive. Your approach,
motives and way to handle this discussion are questionable. You have
obviously failed to convince the GNOME community and GNOME developers
that your survey would be useful, and I'm afraid nobody feels like
taking leadership on the project neither.
A lot of people have already told you that enough feedback has been
gathered at this time.
I doubt you will get much endorsement or help around here anymore (I
could of course be wrong on that last point).

To tell you the truth I have been involved in trying to run a survey for
GNOME 2 years ago IIRC (and I think it's a "recurrent project" - you can
find some old pages on our wiki) with a group of other people, and we
reached the same conclusion: a survey will not help GNOME to get better.
I obviously had very different motives (and GNOME 3 was not around).

So if you want to help GNOME maybe you should discuss further with the
design team and see how to contribute in a positive manner.

I hope you will find my comments helpful as that's what I am trying to
convey (help to someone who seems full of energy to do something to
improve GNOME - and we need people like this).

All the best.


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