El mié, 29-12-2010 a las 10:05 +0000, Emmanuele Bassi escribió: > On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 09:43 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: > > > > it is, in fact, an exact assessment of what anyone who wishes to keep > > > the old user experience should do: there's no need to ever upgrade if > > > the 2.x UX is doing the job. > > > > My only concern is people who *can't* use gnome-shell because of > > hardware requirements, and it isn't a matter of buying a new computer, > > my previous laptop was a modern one, but the nvidia card made imposssible > > to use gnome-shell for more than 5 minutes. > > that is a driver bug; let's not conflate bugs with design choices. > > bugs gets fixed, eventually; in this case you're blocked by the fact > that the driver in question is closed source, and the open source > replacement for it is not yet mature enough. it is still, though, a > driver bug. This is not only affecting to some nvidia users, for example in my case, my father actively uses a PentiumIV with an ATI 9200 card and its 3D support was always... well, slow and very unstable. We are able to get some games like extreme-tuxracer or gl117 running (even torcs is "so much" for that and loses a lot of frames). But trying to run compiz or metacity with compositing enabled always lead to X crashing. Support for that ATI 9200 was always horrible, even knowing the efforts done, it is still behaving poorly with xf86-video-ati-6.13.1 The same occurred for me on a Dell Optiplex 360 that has an integrated Intel card, my tries for having stable 3D support for it failed (this occurred at mid 2009) and I finally opted for using a nVidia 9300 GE with propietary drivers that, with my experience, are the only one that caused me no problems for having a proper 3D support (and lead me to always try to have a nvidia card) > > nvidia also used to have problem with xrender, making cairo (and gtk) > slower - and yet nobody asked for a fallback drawing code path for gtk > at the time. > > > So, my point is, if we > > want to provide a fallback for those people and we are going to use > > gnome-panel and metacity because they are already there, why not keeping > > the applets too for the same reason? > > because resources are limited, and we cannot spread them evenly to all > efforts otherwise GNOME 3.0 would never be released. > > if you are volunteering for porting gnome-panel and the applets to gtk3 > and to the GNOME 3.x platform, then feel free to start filing patches; > I'm pretty patches to port won't be rejected. gtk3 is entering its > API/feature freeze phase, so it should be easier. > > ciao, > Emmanuele. >
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