On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:53 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:48 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > > > > I'd like to point out, though, that innovation cannot be driven by > > > looking at the past; if GNOME, and the Linux desktop, want to be > > > relevant with the users of today and tomorrow it cannot still be > > > anchored to hardware requirements of 5 to 10 years ago. > > > > Well - but hardware 5 to 10 years old is still working. I, personally, > > have 6-years replacement cycle - and in notebooks I do not buy brand new > > technology. In many institutions (at least in past) in my country (like > > schools etc.) hardware may be even older (although this information is a > > few years old so it might have changed). And still my country is upper > > middle income country (although I've seen studies putting it in lower > > high income). > > > > Additionally even if I could afford such change there is an > > environmental issue - why throw the 3-years old hardware which is in > > perfect condition and works well just because it does not support new > > eye candies? > > you keep using the word "eye candy", but I don't think it's fair to say > that projects that use Clutter are only interested about "eye candy"; > the animations and the hardware acceleration are used to increase the > feedback of the UI to the user; That was why I was so exited by cairo with promised hardware-backend implementation. > it's not just a fancy spinning cube[0], > it's a way to write responsive user interfaces. > > > > if desktop > > > environments like GNOME don't push for resolving the drivers gap that we > > > have with Windows and OS X, by making use of features that desktops, > > > laptops, netbooks and embedded platforms *right now* expose, then the > > > Linux desktop won't ever be relevant. > > > > > > > I know that your goals may be different that mine. I'd like to have a > > working desktop on computer I have right now. > > and it's a perfectly legitimate goal. but then you should be keeping > your current desktop environment. after all, if you remove Clutter from > GNOME Games in 2.28 you'll have GNOME Games 2.26. > I tested gnome-games. Of course - I can live w/out tetris ;) I can live w/out many features. But it was a post 'I tested clutter and, unfortunately, it is not working everywhere'. > > Especially that I never considered GPU an > > important part of my desktop (I don't need eye candies). > > a GPU does far more than "eye candy". > A live w/out powerful 3D acceleration was good enough for me. I'm fully aware that: - 2D acceleration was important function of GPU - 2D acceleration become obsolete in modern GPU - 3D acceleration is important on modern desktops But: - Not everyone have modern desktop. Not everyone can or want to afford it. - Some saved on GPU as they weren't gamers. 2-5 years ago they didn't see why they need modern hardware to write email, code or write document in Abiword/OpenOffice/LaTeX etc. so thay have 4-7 years old GPU. - Some bought/received modern GPU - which is not yet supported I'm looking forward to moment when all GPU will work OUB on GNU/Linux, all BSD flavours etc. But this moment is not now. I'm afraid that it may be a flood of 'bugs' - possibly in gnome bugzilla possibly i distros bug tracking systems that update broke system. What worst - up to now GPU needed basic support to somehow work - after requirement of OpenGL that may be forum posts that 'Linux is not working' (and since 1 unhappy user is louder than 100 unhappy it's not good for 'PR'). > ciao, > Emmanuele. Regards
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