Re: Using python + pygtk in Desktop modules (was Re: Revisiting the Gnome Bindings)

["Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro" <gjc inescporto pt>]

  Allow me to present cx_Freeze.  I hope this ends the Python API/ABI
compatibility discussion once and for all.

  http://starship.python.net/crew/atuining/cx_Freeze/index.html

  Regards.

Seg, 2004-09-27 às 11:15 -0400, Sean Middleditch escreveu:
> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 11:36 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
> > Jonathan said:
> > > I would love to see limited use of python in the desktop release for
> > > GNOME 2.10.
> > 
> > I'd love to see whether this idea can fly, and I like the idea of
> > maintainers getting what they need for their own specific modules.
> > 
> > We all have our different favourite languages, but I think we are all
> > capable of hacking on Python even if we don't all love it [1], so I don't
> > think its use would prevent contributions. And it's already widespread on
> > distros, so I don't think it would be adding a big new dependency. [2]
> 
> The biggest problem with Python that I see is that the Python developers
> constantly break ABI with each release.  User gets a new Python and
> blam, most of their third-party Python apps and libraries stop working.
> There's no way to upgrade your distro without also upgrading most of
> your Python apps and libs with it, which may not be possible for many
> users until someone else does the work for them.  It's just a huge
> hassle.
> 
> It's as if the GTK ABI were to break with each minor release version.
> There's a reason we don't do that.  I don't think we should have the
> desktop rely on a scripting language that itself doesn't follow the ABI
> stability rules the rest of the GNOME development platform adheres to,
> or the rest of the desktop platform requires.
> 
> When a Python app or lib can be installed on a system running Python 2.3
> and still work when the machine is upgraded to 2.4, then it would become
> a much more reliable and serious environment to rely on in GNOME.
> 
> And, before someone says it, yes I know that you can install Python 2.3
> and Python 2.4 at the same time.  That doesn't fix the fact that one
> third party lib is only installed in 2.3, and the maybe the only
> packages you find for another lib are for 2.4, and the app you want to
> run is either hard-coded for one Python version or has no way to figure
> out which version to run as to get all the libs it needs.  Yes, it's
> possible for an experienced user to hack around, but it shouldn't need
> an experienced user to Just Work(tm) the way the rest of the system does
> when upgraded.
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Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
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