Re: [Banshee-List] can't create ipod playlists

["Andrés G. Aragoneses" <knocte gmail com>]

On 20/03/14 18:28, meeotch wrote:
> Andres - thanks again for the thoughtful response.  I'll file these as
> soon as I get a free minute from work.
>
> To follow up on #4 below:
>
>  > >   4) If a smart playlist is based on "not played recently", and you
>  > >play that playlist (as opposed to dragging it to the play queue), any
>  > >song that's played immediately gets deleted from the playlist -
>  > >presumably because it's no longer "not played recently".  (If you have
>  > >songs in your queue, the song is inserted there - but if the queue is
>  >> empty, it just disappears.)
>  >
>  > This is not a bug, and you even seem to explain why to yourself,
> right? :)
>
> I think I can see that it's the intended behavior, since perhaps a
> "queue" is a thing that can show past played songs, and a "playlist" is
> not.*
>
> The reason it tripped me up is that it seems to make it impossible to
> perform any operations on a song once it begins playing.  E.g., adding
> to a "my favorites" playlist, moving it later in the list, even just
> checking the bitrate column or answering the question "hey, what was
> that track I heard 15min ago?", etc.  Also ctrl-J stops working, which
> had me confused for a good 10 minutes until I figured out what was
> happening.
>
> I understand that every UI has an internal logic, and tries to be
> consistent to that logic.  But if I'm being honest, I'm having a hard
> time imagining a large number of workflows (playflows?) that would
> depend on "disappearing" played songs, vs. the number of operations it
> prevents.
>
> But then again, the workflow I'm used to is naturally going to seem
> intuitive to me - so I'm obviously biased.  (And clementine has failed
> to reproduce the functionality of trusty ole' Amarok 1.4.  So I'm stuck
> trying to approximate what I had.)
>
> mitch
>
> * - (Though I'll admit that the way banshee handles the queue logic
> overall is a bit confusing for a new user...  For instance, the
> seemingly inconsistent behavior regarding where disappeared tracks end
> up, mentioned in #4 above.  Also, if you double-click a playlist while
> in queue shuffle, it plays one random track from the playlist, then goes
> back to playing the queue - which I believe is also intended, but still
> seems weirder than just playing the whole playlist.)

I don't use the PlayQueue at all myself so I cannot really comment on
that. But in regards to the "Never heard" or "Not played recently", it's
normal that the track disappears when it's played, because it stops
meeting the criteria for being included in the playlist. Nevertheless,
in the same way that we don't increase the PlayCount of a song just when
starting its playback (I think we increase it at the end), then maybe we
should do the same here: make the song disappear at the end. So please
go ahead and file a bug about this too (in fact, now that I think about
it, maybe I've already seen someone reporting this bug before, so search
in bugzilla a bit before filing it please).