Re: [orca-list] Internet accessibility was: Re: form field structural

[Krister Ekstrom <krister kristersplace ws>]

Hi,
I once again want to emphasize a feature that's built into and is a part
of FF-s accessibility features called "find as you type". I don't know
if a toggle key ever was implemented to switch between structural
navigation and non-structural navigation, i couldn't find it. If there
was such a key with which we could bypass the hot keys should the need
arize, then we could make use of the "find as you type" feature, which
lets you type in a couple letters or more in a word, and FF finds and
places the cursor where that word occurs on the page.
/Krister

On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 23:51 +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote:
> hello jonie,
> I did not understand what exactly went between you guys and ff team.
> what they are exactly trying to do?  I think I can already navigate
> between headings, tables and links in orca with ff.
> secondly about the comments of kris,
> well, that's right that open office is not at all accessible in
> windows because of the dirty non-free policy of the big boys.  you
> know, non-free software actually controls us and dictates terms to us.
>  the technical reason is that MSAA has no answer for apps like open
> office and all that we can expect is that the all mighty team which
> does not give freedom nor is scientific, or some one who has eyes as
> big as a window will some day do a work around (I know they are
> capable ) and make open office accessible.  but why will they?  they
> want us all to be adicted to non-sence word and powerless pointless.
> any ways coming back to the practical point, if orca can just do the
> following few things then we are much ahead in accessibility.
> 1:  as soon as a page lodes let orca anounce "page has X headings, Y
> links and z frames ".  x,y,z are numbers and you may say page has no
> links.
> again I am taking this feature from jaws without any bius against it.
> 2:  refine the navigation of orca with ff,  I think the problem right
> now is that the find dialog does not work right.  I tried to find text
> on a page and I just can't get what I want with a ctrl + f for the
> find.
> jaws does this very very efficiently.
> 3:  some times when I stop the speac and go back with alt left arrow,
> my previous location on the page back in history is lost.  I have to
> find my way around to locate the place where I was previously.
> 4: one last thing we can do is to have book marks like jaws has these days.
> 
> 
> just do these things on a priority and see what wonders orca can do
> with the added advantage of not having vertual buffers.
> I know I know, herman or few more people will come up with a few web
> sites which are perfectly accessible with jaws and IE or ff, but I can
> show many which are the other way round.  so let's not get into it and
> understand one thing, we need two hands to clap not one.  if screen
> reader is smart enough it can do most of the work but the web designer
> should also consider accessibility which in many cases is not the
> case.  so we can't achieve 100% accessibility with any screen reader
> till some thing is really harshly and agressively standardised.  else
> we will not be as good as a sited person, no matter we have vertual
> buffers or not.
> regards.
> Krishnakant.
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