Re: [orca-list] Internet accessibility was: Re: form field structural

[Krister Ekstrom <krister kristersplace ws>]

Hi,
I agree with Krishnakant in what he's saying. There's only one aspect
that has me wondering, but maybe this discussion is best taken off-list.
The thing i wondered about was if the screen reader or the web browser
should provide the links list. There are pros and cons with both
strategies. Krishnakant, what would you think would be the advantages
with screen readers providing the links list and frame list as oposed to
the browser doing that?
Other than that, i totally agree with you on the non-forms mode
approach. I think Orca works very, very well and isn't overbloated,
let's make things stay that way, please. And yes, website design is of
course a matter of knowhow, but if a screen reader prevents you from
seeing things that potentially could be wrong, then no php, css, html
and so on knowledge is ever enough.
/Krister


krishnakant Mane wrote:
> hello herman,
> your views sound really sweet to here when I think from the point of
> you of non-free software.
> "open source is constently and only under development".   this is what
> I always hear when non-free advocates start their arguement.
> I never new that jaws or any other software is perfect at the first go.
> I had the initial impression that non-free softwares also under go
> constent development for what they call as better service.
> any ways if that's the case then I am more than happy to use free
> software all the more because then in the process of development I
> will keep on getting better and better.
> yes I used to use jaws which nither gave me freedom nor is scientific.
> I did use powerless pointless for my presentations.  but I was in a
> same situation where adam had no choice but the eve.
> we all were struggling for our freedom with foss and accessibility and
> now orca has the answer.
> and by the way now I am using orca for my serious work except a couple
> of things for which "right now " orca has no solution.
> but I am sure what took jaws 10 years will take only a few more months
> for orca to achieve and so we must rather encourage and salute those
> developers who are swetting out to make orca a best accessibility
> solution.
> and yes I except the links list and frames list a good solution even
> though they come  from a non free screen reader.
> but vertual buffer only gives me data access to some extent and no
> access to the visual layout of the page which is important both for
> developers and surfers.
> you are right that developing good web pages is the duty of the web
> designers, but don't you feel that showing the web page as-is should
> be the duty of the screen reader?
> I can't figure out whether my idea has been perfectly implemented in
> terms of html when I view my pages in a vertual buffer but ever since
> I got orca running pritty well, I am much more comfortable using the
> web and "seeing " (yes I mean that ) my own web pages.
> I now get an actual view of the web and I will strongly encourage and
> recommend non-vertual buffer web access and this development must go
> on the current path.
> this is mostly my thinking and partially out of experiences and
> stories I hear from others.
> again I am not saying all this to oppose jaws but to respect what is
> right and that too when it comes to me with complete freedom (rather 4
> freedoms).
> wil, rich, mike, joney all you guys are doing a great job.
> regards.
> Krishnakant.
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