Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>]

On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 08:55 +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2005-06-26, Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 10:51 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> >> 
> >>  I'm not sure what exactly you mean, but should these be toplevel windows at 
> >> all? If it's really part of the window, it should really be a part of the 
> >> window.
> >> 
> >
> > The problem is that subwindows are clipped to the parent window. There's
> > various ways to imagine fixing X or the toolkits, but right now a
> > toplevel is pretty much the easiest approach...
> 
> How about a (_NET_)WM_TOOLBOX_FOR hint? If these windows are not short-lived
> and essentially modal, they're not transients and should not be marked as
> such. Separate toolbox windows are absolutely unusable UI design (as if the
> conventional WIMP desktop wasn't already messy enough without a zillion
> toolboxes), but if you really need to have that kind of shit, why not have a
> nice semantic hint for it, so that the WM can place them along the sides of
> the window (perhaps in the same frame) or something?
> 

I didn't mean toolboxes (we already have that hint), something like "a
way to do widgets that aren't clipped to their toplevel"

Havoc