On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 06:05:33AM -0700, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > On 09Sep2001 01:02PM (+0100), colin z robertson wrote: > > > > Maciej's suggestion being that the dialog should have different > > buttons depending on how changes are applied, yes? I don't think this > > is adequate. People don't read those buttons until they wish to apply > > the changes (and they shouldn't have to), by which time it's too late. > > It needs to be more immediately obvious than that. > > If the difference ends up being 0 buttons vs some number more than 0, > it will be very immediately obvious, don't you think? Yes. Sorry, I was under the impression you were advocating leaving a bottom row of buttons, but changing them to Revert/Close or something of that nature. > > There will always be performance issues. The more our machine power > > increases the more we try to do with it. My BBC Model B (ah, > > nostalgia...) booted to a usable state in less than a second. It > > loaded programs at roughly the same speed as they load today. (From > > disk, at least. From tape it was another story.) > > > > There isn't a fundamental technical reason why something like > "changing themes" should be slow. MacOS X can swap between "aqua" and > "graphite" (the only two themes available, but there's an actual theme > engine underneat) pratcially instantly. Themes, perhaps. But we'll have things more complex than themes in the future. And our themes may well get more complex too. > If we think one style is better in most situations, we should > recommend it's use unless there are reasons not to use it. *If* we think that. I, personally, don't. However, I'm under very heavy pressure here from you and Seth, and I may be being overruled. > > I'm perfectly well aware that instant-apply is a behavioural thing. > > Please, give me some credit. What I'm interested in is seeing if there > > are any visual cues that the settings will be applied instantly. I > > just have little desire to download a 10Mb program which I quite > > dislike and which I know I'll delete immediately afterwards because > > I'm permanently low on disk space. > > Since you say you dislike it, does that mean you've tried it before? Yes, I have. One of the pre-releases and 1.0.something. > It's always had an instant-apply prefs dialog, so hopefully you'll > have a vague memory of what it's like. hmm. Very vague. I had so many problems with the UI of that program that the dialogs would only have been a small part of that. colin _____________________________ ____ rtnl http://rational.cjb.net c z robertson ndirect co uk icq 13294163
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