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Re: [orca-list] Orca and gsuite

Hello Jean-Philippe and all
In the meanwhile I recommend use Google Workspace keyboard shorcuts
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9298571?hl=en
and enable Orca' sticky focus mode, since this are ARIA applications
and mostly you will be working in focus mode more than in  a web
content page. Another possibility than can help is to use Orca's
bookmark to jump quickly to specific position while your are in Orca's
browse mode. 
Ofcourse there are still issues with Google Workspace apps that need to
be addressed and improve Orca responsiveness in some components and
accessibility improvements in the web browsers field but at least it's
usable with Orca. A good tip also is to enable braille support in
accessibility settings for a Google's document or spreadsheet in tools
menu. Although when you enable braille support in a document, Orca
don't present document structure like headings, list items etc I think
this is a Google a11y issue, need investigating
There is also Accessible Google Group mailing list where you can
contact and ask for more information on accessibility of Google
products. 

HTH 
Regards, 
   Javier
 El jue, 13-01-2022 a las 00:43 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-
list escribió:

Hi Joanie,

Of course I am ready to do this. But the problem is then how to 
reproduce them. Here we work on some environments where it is
difficult 
to reproduce steps if we have not the same one. Also some
expectations 
are not necessarily easy to write, as it is a global user experience.
Let's take 2 examples, in the drive (orca master, Firefox nithgly):
- lets try to open the drive and acess to the shared files list and 
browse in the tree. To make things simple, ctrl-home to be at the 
beginning of the page. Just here: Down goes to the general toolbar,
but 
tab does not go to one of its item, but rather on the heading column,
if 
I understand correctly. Ok so no, lets try again. Now, tab goes on
the 
search field. Lets try again after rebooting orca, ok now, it works.
I 
go to the tree of the general folders (My drive, shardd with me,
etc). I 
choose Shared with me. After Enter, the focus goes to the list of
recent 
docs. Lag is strong (about 1 second per item at each pressing of
down).
Note I have a lot of pages opens (tabs) and some sheets files in some
of 
them.
I stop here for now. The log is here:
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_lag_drive

First issue here: the lag. Is it not avoidable? Due to other apps
opened 
on the computer (I open spotify, Thunderbird and other GUIs).

Ok now, after I open a file, lets try to move a copy in another place
(we are far from the save as or ctrl-c ctrl-v process on a classical 
file manager). The log of this operation is here (andy very, veyr
long, 
sorry):
https://people.debian.org/~jpmengual/orca_drive_file_management

The steps here: move the file in a sense, then another. Then open the
file Modèle, try to generate a copy (oops cannot define the 
destination), then back to the drive and move it. I have everything
in 
this log: lags, focus mode not enabled in a relevant way, some 
interactions keys with a random behaviour (routine of the braille 
display? enter? well, not obvious and not always the same). And 
sometimes Enter opens a menu, sometimes it closes the process. For 
example, during the creation of the copy, try choosing the
destination 
folder, impossible.

To finish this mail, understand me well: I absolutely dont say Orca
is 
only responsible. I guess it is a global problem of the Google tools
and 
maybe Firefox itself. That is why I suggested a synchronous work, as
I 
think a asynchronous one with bug reports may be difficult. But I can
try again. What I mean in this thread is: how could we handle the 
problem globally (where to send relevant bugreports, what to fix in 
Orca, elsewhere, etc)?

Available for any further mails or other work ways if you want. Hypra
will probably try working on this too in next weeks, as it becomes a 
pain for me in my daily life. But I think help about what should be
done 
and where would be useful (and yes, I hope some things may improve 
quickly to finish the job I am epected to do before next month but...
that is a deram I share with you (nearly joke).

Best regards



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Le 12/01/2022 à 23:33, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Bug reports with very concrete steps to reproduce the problem,
along
with expected results and actual results, are always welcome in
gitlab.
Thanks!
--joanie

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 18:51 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-
list
wrote:

Hi,

With libreoffice low accessibility and problems to do
colaborative
work,
I need to work more and more on Gsuite. I wonder what is your
eperience
with it. Here it is difficult: I use Drive, Docs, Sheets, mainly.
In
all
these situations I experience very big lags, a relative focus
instability (tab does not systematicaly switch between file list
and
other bars), a heratic behaviour of Orca in Docs, wel, daily life
is
very under-productive. What about other users?
If this topics interests people and, of course, if Joanie has
time
and
wants to do, I can share with her the drive where I work and the
files
in Docs. Also I can send logs or we can do "sprint"/meetings to
see
things together. Is it realistic?
I also tried those tools on Android. Many things go better, even
if
there are yet focus problems to use it really efficiently.
Best regards







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