Re: [orca-list] bug : orca announces content before type

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Ok. Hopefully I've worked around the speech bug my  changes revealed.
Please test master and let me know. Thanks again!
--joanie

On Sat, 2022-01-08 at 16:56 +0100, Jérémy Prego via orca-list wrote:
> hey again I think that will be my last email for today.
>
> ticking the above-mentioned box corrects the problem, but it gives me
> other problems. orca pauses whenever it hits a dot and I find that
> very 
> annoying when it comes to reading filenames ... I think that's why I
> had 
> to uncheck this box.
>
> for example, I prefer to hear "foo dot txt" and not "foo (silent)
> txt"
>
> suddenly, I think that my initial problem remains a bug, but it was 
> necessary to find the origin of it
>
> thanks for the fix !
>
> Jerem
> Le 08/01/2022 à 16:22, Jérémy Prego via orca-list a écrit :
> > hey again, sorry for the noise
> >
> > I just found the parameter to modify to have the expected behavior
> > ...
> >
> > orca preference
> > voice tab
> > uncheck: Break speech into chunks between pauses
> >
> > when the box is checked, I have the type before the content. when
> > it 
> > is unchecked, it is the content before the type. I reproduce this
> > in 
> > my test configuration in / /tmp/foo :)
> >
> > Jerem
> > Le 08/01/2022 à 13:21, Jérémy Prego via orca-list a écrit :
> > > for info, here is a debug showing the problem
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5i8wo5vvjq7qrh/debug-2022-01-08-13%3A16%3A51.out?dl=1
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I'm going to redo my configuration, even if recreate all
> > > my 
> > > keyboard shortcuts discourages me a little :)
> > >
> > > Jerem
> > > Le 08/01/2022 à 12:46, Jérémy Prego via orca-list a écrit :
> > > > hey joanie,
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry, by doing like you -u / tmp / toto, I'm not
> > > > reproducing 
> > > > the concern either ... my apologies!
> > > >
> > > > now, it remains to find out which parameter changes that
> > > > between the 
> > > > two commits.
> > > >
> > > > if I really can't find it, I'll send a debug.out to get some
> > > > help :)
> > > >
> > > > thanks again, and sorry for the time lost!
> > > >
> > > > Jerem
> > > > Le 08/01/2022 à 12:20, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > > > Hey again Jerem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried your steps to reproduce the issue using pidgin.
> > > > > Orca
> > > > > master for me says "read only text" first and then presents
> > > > > the 
> > > > > line of
> > > > > text. In order to be sure that my personal settings weren't
> > > > > to 
> > > > > blame, I
> > > > > launched Orca with
> > > > >
> > > > > -u /tmp/foo
> > > > >
> > > > > I still get "read only text" first. So a debug.out from
> > > > > before the
> > > > > commit in question and one from after would be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry and thanks again!
> > > > > --joanie
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 21:42 +0100, Jérémy Prego via orca-list
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > hey joanie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I propose to take another example, more easily reproducible
> > > > > > with a
> > > > > > longer type.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Send a message in a conversation on pidgin
> > > > > > 2. Press f6 to get to the message history area
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from commit 38acd26f
> > > > > > orca says: "(21:00:00) joanie: Hello Jerem. read only text"
> > > > > > Before the 38acd26f commit:
> > > > > > orca says: "read only text. (21:00:00) joanie: Hello
> > > > > > Jerem."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hope that helps
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: I just noticed that I have a problem in my old version
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > thunderbird (52.9.1) when writing a message, I will send an
> > > > > > email for
> > > > > > this specific problem or respond in the existing thread :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerem
> > > > > > Le 07/01/2022 à 21:13, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > > > > > Hey again Jerem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess I need more concrete steps to understand and
> > > > > > > reproduce the
> > > > > > > problem. By default (e.g. when navigating within pluma)
> > > > > > > the "text"
> > > > > > > role
> > > > > > > is not spoken. So you need something like a focus event.
> > > > > > > Therefore
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > I did is create a new document with "Hello world" in
> > > > > > > pluma. Then I
> > > > > > > alt+tabbed out and back in. Orca spoke "text. hello
> > > > > > > world" with the
> > > > > > > current master as well as with the gnome-41 branch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you could write out a numbered list of steps, the
> > > > > > > exact spoken
> > > > > > > expected results, the exact actual spoken results, etc.,
> > > > > > > it would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > helpful. Thanks again!
> > > > > > > --joanie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 19:57 +0100, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey Jerem. Thanks for the report! I'll try to address
> > > > > > > > that this
> > > > > > > > weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As for the commit messages, that's on purpose. I
> > > > > > > > wouldn't want
> > > > > > > > you to
> > > > > > > > think a regression is a feature. <grins>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The language switching support is taking a lot of
> > > > > > > > plumbing
> > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > because most of Orca's code assumes that a given unit
> > > > > > > > of text
> > > > > > > > (e.g. a
> > > > > > > > line) has exactly one language.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take care.
> > > > > > > > --joanie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 19:45 +0100, Jérémy Prego via
> > > > > > > > orca-list
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > hello,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > since the last commit (38acd26f3), orca announces the
> > > > > > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > zone
> > > > > > > > > before the text.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > exemple in pluma:
> > > > > > > > > hello text.
> > > > > > > > > before:
> > > > > > > > > text. Hello
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it bothers me especially for large texts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > however, I can read: "This change should not impact
> > > > > > > > > the end-
> > > > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > experience." but, I see that it impacts me, :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jerem
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