Re: [orca-list] bug : orca announces content before type

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hey Milton.

Since you can reproduce the pluma example, is there any chance you
could send me two debug.outs: one before my change and one after?

And to be clear, I don't think waiting to hear "text" is a good thing.
It's just a thing I'm not personally seeing. I plan to fix this issue
soon.

Thanks for testing and confirming the issue!
--joanie

On Sat, 2022-01-08 at 07:34 +0100, Milton via orca-list wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can confirm in Pluma with the example 'Hello world'.
>
> After alt+tabbed out and back in Orca speaks:
>
> 'Hello world text'.
>
> Before Orca speaks:
>
> 'Text Hello world'.
>
> When I hear the word 'text' I immediately know I am in an area to
> insert 
> text. But now in the new situation I have to wait until the content
> is 
> read to hear the word 'text'.
>
> Milton
>
> Op 07-01-2022 om 21:42 schreef Jérémy Prego via orca-list:
> > hey joanie
> >
> > I propose to take another example, more easily reproducible with a 
> > longer type.
> >
> > 1. Send a message in a conversation on pidgin
> > 2. Press f6 to get to the message history area
> >
> > from commit 38acd26f
> > orca says: "(21:00:00) joanie: Hello Jerem. read only text"
> > Before the 38acd26f commit:
> > orca says: "read only text. (21:00:00) joanie: Hello Jerem."
> >
> > hope that helps
> >
> > PS: I just noticed that I have a problem in my old version of 
> > thunderbird (52.9.1) when writing a message, I will send an email
> > for 
> > this specific problem or respond in the existing thread :)
> >
> >
> > Jerem
> > Le 07/01/2022 à 21:13, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > Hey again Jerem.
> > >
> > > I guess I need more concrete steps to understand and reproduce
> > > the
> > > problem. By default (e.g. when navigating within pluma) the
> > > "text" role
> > > is not spoken. So you need something like a focus event.
> > > Therefore what
> > > I did is create a new document with "Hello world" in pluma. Then
> > > I
> > > alt+tabbed out and back in. Orca spoke "text. hello world" with
> > > the
> > > current master as well as with the gnome-41 branch.
> > >
> > > If you could write out a numbered list of steps, the exact spoken
> > > expected results, the exact actual spoken results, etc., it would
> > > be
> > > helpful. Thanks again!
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 19:57 +0100, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Hey Jerem. Thanks for the report! I'll try to address that this
> > > > weekend.
> > > >
> > > > As for the commit messages, that's on purpose. I wouldn't want
> > > > you to
> > > > think a regression is a feature. <grins>
> > > >
> > > > The language switching support is taking a lot of plumbing
> > > > changes
> > > > because most of Orca's code assumes that a given unit of text
> > > > (e.g. a
> > > > line) has exactly one language.
> > > >
> > > > Take care.
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 19:45 +0100, Jérémy Prego via orca-list
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > since the last commit (38acd26f3), orca announces the type of
> > > > > the
> > > > > zone
> > > > > before the text.
> > > > >
> > > > > exemple in pluma:
> > > > > hello text.
> > > > > before:
> > > > > text. Hello
> > > > >
> > > > > it bothers me especially for large texts.
> > > > >
> > > > > however, I can read: "This change should not impact the end-
> > > > > user
> > > > > experience." but, I see that it impacts me, :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerem
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