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Re: [orca-list] All about Orca

Hello Amy,

others have answered the questions quite well. Let me add my personal
notes to the already provided answers:


1. As others mentioned, standard copying/pasting is done using the
traditional shortcuts Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V. One exception to this rule is the
terminal, where you can paste using the Ctrl+Shift+V shortcut, unless
configured othervise.


2. As others have mentioned, integrated VM manager clipboard capability
is the correct way of handling this.


Though, I personally find the VirtualBox solution kind of...
complicated, so being lazy to study the documentation, I use croc for
data exchange between my computer and VMs:

https://github.com/schollz/croc


Especially if your goal is to copy the whole terminal output for pasting
to your assignment, you could do this like:

echo Hello > terminal1

or if you want to see the output of the command:

echo Hello > terminal1


and then:

croc send --code myTerminalAssignment terminal1


On your host system, you can run:

croc myTerminalAssignment


Though as I already said, this is not a typical way for handling the
topic, so if you're going to be copying large amounts of unrelated data,
taking the time to setup your VM properly might be worth it.


Note: If your assignment requires including terminal output, a tool like
RMarkdown:

https://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/

might be handy for you.


4. As already mentioned, flat review is the way to go here.

Generally on linux, flat review is the #1 technique to know besides
standard Tab/Arrows control.


You can find its shortcuts in the Orca settings keyboard shortcuts tab,
as I mentioned in my other reply.


If you use the laptop layout, the important shortcuts are Orca+:

U and O: previous/next line

J and L, previous / next word

M and .: previous and next character

I: Speak the current line

K: Speak the current word

,: Speak the current character


I personally prefer the laptop layout because it does not require moving
my hand away from the keyboard center, in fact, I generally avoid
keyboards with numpad for the same reason - added size for a
disadvantage of hand disposition, virtual numeric block using Fn+J, K,
L, U ... O is much faster and takes less space.


That's at least my subjective opinion, if you're also a laptop layout
fan, the shortcuts mentioned above are the way to go for you.


Or perhaps another combination, you can configure it any way you like.
NVDA layout is not bad either as an example, it uses NVDA+Arrows for
Flat review by lines and characters and NVDA+Ctrl+Left/Right arow for
word movement.

It's farther than the K centered block, so for now I like the Orca
solution more, but When Chrys finishes his awesome work on the Orca
plugin system, it might become advantageous to release the Orca+letter
combinations.


And even now the NVDA system has its advantages, if we consider that
flat review is used extensively on web, arrows are the navigator there
and thus arrow based combinations are closer to the typical position.


While terminal is more about writing, Orca system has advantage there.


So it's upto your personal preference what shortcuts are you going to use.


5. I would like to add here two ways to deal with terminal output
overflowing the terminal screen.

That happens when a program outputs more text than fits to your terminal
screen, only the last part will get displayed, the rest is "above" the
upper border of the window.


First of all, you can use Shift+Page up/down to switch to previous /
next screen. This is a quick way for situations when you have just few
pages of output, or need to check just few pages of output before the
end of the text.


If you have a long text output which you either need to read from the
start to the end, or you need to find a specific passage of the text,
you can pipe the output of the command to a program called less:

man cat | less


less has a book-like interface. You start at the first page of the
output. You can switch to the next page by pressing the Space key.

Switching to the previous page is done by the B key, and you can even
search by pressing the slash and typing the search expression, submitted
by enter.


You can read the text of each page using flat review as usual, when
you're done, press Q to quit less and get back to terminal.


less is one of the standard Linux programs, so you'll typically find it
pre-installed.


That's all from my side for now I guess.


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 3. 2. 2022 o 13:45 Amy via orca-list napísal(a):

Hello everyone,

1. I was wondering how to copy and paste using orca in Linux?
2. How can I connect my focus 40 to my VM? (I am using Ubuntu)
3. I like to use Jaws to write my assignments. I was wondering is there a
way I can copy the text from the termal terminal and somehow put it into the
word doc that I have on my regular machine?
4. How can I read a word at a time after I executes a command in the
terminal?
5. How can I let Orca to read the text from the terminal back to me again?
When I type a command and hit enter, Orca reads to me only once. I am not
sure how to make Orca repeated to me.
Many help will be appreciated!
Amy

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    1. Re:  Can't get Orca at the GDM login screen (John Covici)
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    3. Re:  Browse navigation stuck inside the youtube embeds in
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:09:34 -0500
From: John Covici <covici ccs covici com>
To: Derek Roberts <bigd vi guy gmail com>
Cc: Orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca at the GDM login screen
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I would try orca master  and upgrade gnome if you can.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 05:22:11 -0500,
Derek Roberts via orca-list wrote:

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Hey all,

Here's a fun one. Fun is a word which here means the state of being
extremely enraged...
I just installed the Gnome version of Funtoo. Everything works great,
except for the fact that Orca doesn't autostart, and doesn't seem to
when you hit alt+super+s. After a bunch of poking things, moving stuff
around, and a few black magic rituals to get dconf to do what I wanted
(seriously, I just wanted to write to the database), I almost got it
working. Orca's process starts, then apparently breaks, with no info
as to why, even with debug output (all of about 2 lines of it). All
you see is it trying to import customizations and failing. How do I figure

out/hopefully fix this?

The system is running Gnome 3.36.2, and Orca 3.36.6 if it helps.

Thanks,
Derek
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On 2/2/22 09:09, John Covici wrote:

I would try orca master  and upgrade gnome if you can.

If I remember correctly, there was a bug some time ago that prevented Orca
from functioning at the Gdm log-in. However, it has long since been fixed.
So, yes, the upgrade is the solution.

Running obscure Linux distributions that many of us have probably never
heard of carries risks, of which this is a good example. If you want to do
that, it's fine, of course, but the community support won't be as strong as
for more widely used distributions.



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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:40:25 +0100
From: Peter V?gner <pvagner pvagner tk>
To: Orca-list <ORCA-LIST gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Browse navigation stuck inside the youtube
      embeds in Firefox
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Hello,

I have updated both Firefox nightly and orca master and I can no longer
reproduce this. So either that might have been something on my system only
or it has been fixed without me being able to identify the fix.

Thank you and greetings

Peter

D?a 31. 1. 2022 o 20:03 Peter V?gner via orca-list nap?sal(a):

Hello,

Firefox 98 A1 nightly, orca master on Arch Linux.

Steps:

  *

     Open any site that includes youtube clip embedded in an iframe
     thisone for example
     https://matrix.org/blog/2022/01/28/this-week-in-matrix-2022-01-28

  *

     Move browse navigation to the embedded youtube player that is
     inside the article content

  *

     Try to navigate past the youtube embed.

Results:

No matter if I navigate by line, by word or by character, browse
navigation is stuck in firefox. In chromium it?s working as expected.

Expected results:

Orca browse mode navigation should allow navigating over this and
similar embedded content.

Greetings

Peter

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