Re: [orca-list] Screenreader Accessibility Testers for Ubuntu

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>]

Out here, we end up having people who have to install windows and they're
a slightly different class than users and developers.  When I got a Dell
windows computer at home it had Windows '97 on it and I made the mistake
of having Office 2000 installed on it too.  The computer ran okay for
about a week with Window-eyes on it then it crashed.  Corruption in files
made that happen.  At that time, narrator didn't exist.  I got a friend to
tell me the necessary responses to each windows prompt and I keyed those
in on braille paper.  I managed to reinstall windows myself a few times
and it was such a hassle I started my Linux journey.  It took a year of
meetings with a Linux users group for us to figure how to get redhat 5.0
when Redhat 5.0 was hot and could be bought at Staples to get Linux
talking.  The computer required a mouse or it wouldn't come up completely
so I started wondering if ex-microsoft employees were working for Redhat.
I've installed other flavors of Linux since then.  I promised myself and
mostly kept that promise to never use Windows again during my retirement.
I did a little but the installation of a service pack crashed another Dell
laptop so the laptop got trashed.
Installation is one thing, but normally not use a mouse and need speech
working and have to do it without sighted assistance and that's a
different kettle of fish.


On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, J.G wrote:

> Hello,
>
> firstly I want to apologise, if in my previous post there were false
> information or I caused anyone.
> - when I wrote about Windows, I thought of its a11y APIs, and other
> Windows infrastructure. Windows or MAC experience is far from ideal,
> but from accessibility perspective, I think, there are solutions,
> which are more matured than in Linux in general.
> Mac's problem is that system is closed and only Apple can provide and
> use some technologies built in os, in Windows Narrator does not follow
> standards, which were established during years of development and use
> of screen readers and introduce its different keyboard shortcuts for
> the same things.
> And when I thought about Windows, I just wanted to say that a11y
> infrastructure is more matured and friendly for users and developers.
> and obviously I didn't want to write about screen readers, due to
> anyone has prefered one. Some love JAWS, some love NVDA, but it is ok.
> again, I only want to tell, that from average user's perspective, who
> use mostly GUI such as Gnome, in Linux there is too much choices of
> distros, where you cannot get a11y experience on the level, whichis in
> Windows or Mac. Examples are unlabeled gui elements on a system level,
> only partially support of a11y APIs in some GUI such as KDE etc.
> so average user especially one, who wants to migrate from Windows to
> Linux, has a lot of, has too many decisions to make and test and it is
> frustrating.
> These are my experiences.
> again, I apologise if I gave any wrong information. I wanted just to
> tell my point of view.
> but again, I'm very pleased, that hopefully Linux world will be become
> more average user friendly. this discussion  is a step in the right
> direction.
>
> best regards,
> Jo?ef
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