Re: [orca-list] Why is key echo on by default?

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain outlook com>]

I absolutely do not like key echo to be on, and when using a screen reader where this is the default, turning 
off key echo is one of the first things I do, probably right after adjusting the speech rate! I'm OK with it 
being on by default if that helps others though. BTW, I do leave word echo on, and this is what I use to 
check my typing.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of Glenn K0LNY
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:59 AM
To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>; Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Why is key echo on by default?

Jace,
I think the majority of users of a screenreader like the key echo to be on.
I can type over 50 WPM, maybe 60 WPM on a good day.
But I still don't trust that what I typed is correct, in fact, sometimes I am not sure of the spelling of a 
word, and if I have it set to speaking words, I may not know that what I typed was a mistake or just the way 
the screenreader says a word.
If you are a fast typist, maybe you aren't as good at listening to synthetic speech at a fast rate, as in 
what comes out from typing fast.
Anyway, that is why I think having key echo on by default is a good thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel panix com>
To: "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs igalia com>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Why is key echo on by default?


I think keeping key echo on as a default is an excellent idea for another reason.  Even those of us who 
learned to touch type are not perfect typists and it helps to hear when we make a mistake so the backspace 
and/or other correcting keys like control-u to wipe out a whole line can be used in time.  Just because we're 
blind our typing and writing doesn't necessarily have to look like that at least for the braille readers.



On Mon, 29 Mar 2021, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> Hi Jace.
>
> A user who needs key echo enabled (i.e. because they are not totally 
> familiar with the layout of their keyboard) might not be able to 
> enable it themselves in Orca preferences if they do not know what keys 
> they are pressing as they attempt to get into Orca preferences.
>
> As someone who can touch type, and also happens to be sighted, that 
> setting is the very first thing I turn off in a new set up because it 
> annoys me. But I don't think it would be a good, upstream default to 
> change key echo to off by default.
>
> That said, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. :)
>
> --joanie
>
> On Mon, 2021-03-29 at 15:56 +0100, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > Something I'm wondering about with regard to Orca and default 
> > settings, and it's come up in a few podcasts/recordings I've used to 
> > install tricky stuff.
> >
> > Why is key echo on by default, is that down to the indivdual distro 
> > or is that a part of having Orca that in order to have Orca in your 
> > distro's live image/repos, here's the default settings you need? I 
> > turn key echo off the instant I load Orca on a live session, and 
> > playing around with VMs got me wondering on why key echo is always on 
> > by default and if there's anything I can do on an iso image to leave 
> > it off by default since it gets insanely spammy, insanely quickly, 
> > I've had times where it's left control left alt then won't hush.
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