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Re: [orca-list] Pluginsystem for Orca using libpeas

Hi,

It sure is. The question is if the market can support it.

Warm regards,
Alex

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On Jun 10, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info> wrote:

Does macOS/iOS even give you the API access to write your own screen readers?


I've heard so much complaining about VoiceOver on both, that it seems like we'd have other screen readers 
if it was possible. There are several on Android, multiple on Windows, and at least were multiple Linux 
screen readers if anyone here remembers Gnopernicus. :)

On 6/10/2021 5:46 PM, Alexandro Jurgensen via orca-list wrote:

Hi Christopher,

I wasn’t meaning to ask if you could do this work, just trying tu gauge how possible such an endeavour 
would be before sticking a few devs on it. We are particularly interested in an alternate Mac screen 
reader in addition to Linux support. :)

Warm regards,
Alex

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Lead Software Developer,
Bowen Innovations Research and Development Society
www.birdsonbowen.com

President
Camp Bowen Society for the Independence of the Blind and Deafblind
www.campbowen.ca

Lead Program Coordinator
Pacific Training Centre for the Blind
www.ptcb.ca


On Jun 10, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:

My understanding is that a lot of screen reader code is taking advantage of technologies built into and 
unique to each operating system, so only a limited amount of the code could be ported, and a lot of work 
would have to go into making this portable code work with the OS specific layers that would be needed on 
each platform. Just my $0.02.

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pluginsystem for Orca using libpeas

Howdy Alex,

maybe its technically possible, but windows already has a lot of screen readers. So i will only 
concentrate my time to Linux. For windows its just another alternative. fur Linux its a must have without 
any choice currently.

Am 10.06.21 um 21:21 schrieb Alexandro Jurgensen via orca-list:

Hi All,

I’m just throwing this out there but can this work set the stage for Orca to be ported to other 
operating systems? The organization I work with is interested in cross-platform screen reader 
technologies. If there are already separate plugins for GTK and QT apps on the table, could this pave 
the way for plugins based on MSAA or Apple’s AXAccessibility APIs?

Warm regards,
Alex

Alex Jurgensen,
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I wear many hats!

Lead Software Developer,
Bowen Innovations Research and Development Society
www.birdsonbowen.com

President
Camp Bowen Society for the Independence of the Blind and Deafblind
www.campbowen.ca

Lead Program Coordinator
Pacific Training Centre for the Blind
www.ptcb.ca


On Jun 10, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Didier Spaier via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:

Hi,

I would go for: 3. Build libpeas from source.

Make a package for it just took 40 seconds on my laptop.

I'll leave for others to tell you how to do that for Ubuntu.

Cheers,
Didier


Le 10/06/2021 à 18:44, Geoff Shang a écrit :

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021, chrys wrote:

if this commit is true, you need at least version 1.26 of libpeas from January 2020.

Debian Bullseye (the next release) has libpeas 1.28.
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be in buster-backports.
I looked at the version in Bullseye. It actually has fewer dependencies than the version in Buster, 
and many of them are the same version or are covered by packages in Buster.
However, it depends on libpython3.9, and as the version of Python in Buster is 3.7.3 and one of the 
dependencies for libpython3.9 is libc6 >= 2.29 which is higher than the version in Buster, trying to 
pull in libpeas from Bullseye will result in an upgrade of libc6 which will suck in a whole lot of 
other packages.
As I see it, your choices are:
1.  Upgrade to Bullseye.  Bullseye is currently frozen and is likely to release soon, so this might be 
safe enough to do.  I'm going to do this on one of my systems for a similar reason - I need Python > 
3.7.  You should read the release notes first though as there may be important changes (you should do 
this anyway).
2.  Pull in libpeas from Bullseye anyway and accept all the upgraded packages.  This will result in a 
partially upgraded system which is probably not a good idea, especially given that lib6 will be 
upgraded.
3.  Build libpeas from source. I have no idea at all how involved this is and it may well be more work 
than it's worth, particularly given the dependencies.
4.  Wait for Bullseye to release.
HTH,
Geoff.

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