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Re: [orca-list] Accessible Rolling Release Distro

Norman:

btrfs isn't going to make Fedora more accessible, though.

I am looking forward to watching what Red Hat does, both with rhel and
with Fedora, once the Speakup module moves out of staging and onto the
mainstream kernel.

Re getting an installation to talk ...

Safest approach, imo, is to be sure to immediately setup ssh access into
the new installation. It's best if you can set that up even before
rebooting the installation.

That won't make it talk, but it will give you talking access to debug
and remedy the situation.

Best,

Janina


norman writes:

Interesting.

It doesn't get a lot simpler than the debian installer in my oppinion. Yes,
it's not a gui, but it's simple questions.

My problem with debian has always been that i can't get it to talk once
installed, the installation usually works.

As for ubuntu, i just installed a couple different versions of 20.04 in the
last few months and everything went fine, once it detected my none standard
audio interface that is.

I've never tried arch, and haven't tried fedora recently, so can't speak to
those.

I maybe should try fedora again though with the new btrfs support they're
adding.



Thanks.



On 9/3/2020 2:52 PM, Nimer Jaber via orca-list wrote:

Hello,

All of these command-line installers, Arch, etc, take much more effort
to install than a simple gui installer, which is what I'm looking for.
In recommending an individual to give Linux a try when they have been
used to a platform such as Windows, there is quite a leap forward to
installing something like Arch. While I am all on board with cli tools,
it is a shame that the graphical user interface side of the various
distros seems to be getting much less accessible. I stated that, in
trying a number of these, the installers aren't accessible out of the
box. The Debian testing installer won't work with Orca, I can't get
Fedora rawhide talking, I haven't tried Solus, and as I say, I am really
looking for a distro which provides a rolling release, although I have
recently seen issues with users trying to install the latest
iteration of Ubuntu, so it just seems that the latest installers from
many distros simply aren't accessible. There is a pretty recent forum
thread discussing the inaccessibility of OpenSuse and Yast, so that
seems out as well. Really quite a shame, and would be great to get work
on this, as it would be great to have GUI alternatives to Windows/Mac
which simply work.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:44 PM Janina Sajka <janina rednote net
<mailto:janina rednote net>> wrote:

    I have also found installing Arch very straight forward, so I'm a bit
    befuddled by what the problem might be. In fact I did an install on a
    mew machine just earlier this summer using an iso image from:

    https://talkingarch.info/

    Note there's another Arch installer with Speakup here:

    https://tarch.org/

    The biggest complication I can think of is networking. If you use a
    wired connection, things should proceed smoothly. If you try to use
    wifi, things can get complicated quickly.

    Once upon a time, many years ago, I maintained a howto install Fedora
    using Speakup document. That process was far more complicated than the
    process of installing Arch today, imo.

    My bottom line on this topic -- If Arch is too hard, stick to one
    of the
    spins that provides a functioning desktop off the DVD or USB stick.
    Mostly, these support copying the working environment to a fixed disk.

    Example: You can get a functioning Debian from grml.org
    <http://grml.org> rescue
    environment to install to a fixed disk. Of course that doesn't provide
    Orca and a graphical desktop.

    Best,

    Janina


    Orca screen reader developers writes:
    >    Yes a few years ago when arch uses the setup tool it was easy
    >
    >
    >    Skickades från [1]E-post för Windows 10
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    >
    >    Från: [2]Jason White via orca-list
    >    Skickat: den 2 september 2020 02:50
    >    Till: [3]nimerjaber1 gmail com
    <mailto:nimerjaber1 gmail com>; [4]Jeanette C.
    >    Kopia: [5]orca-list
    >    Ämne: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Rolling Release Distro
    >
    >
    >    I don't recall that Arch took much effort to get everything
    working
    >    when I last installed it. I am currently running Arch, and the
    >    maintenance is fairly straightforward.
    >
    >    I have also used Debian Unstable and Debian Testing in the
    past. My
    >    advice is to be prepared to deal with the occasional update
    problem,
    >    but for the most part, Debian Testing should be reliable -
    assuming
    >    that they're keeping up the quality for which they have a strong
    >    reputation.
    >
    >    On 9/1/20 6:43 AM, Nimer Jaber via orca-list wrote:
    >
    >    Hello,
    >
    >
    >    No arch because it takes lots of fiddling about to get anything
    >    working, and I unfortunately don't have the time for that. I
    am looking
    >    for a system that works, but I do want a rolling release.
    >
    >
    >    Thanks.
    >
    >
    >    On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:55 AM Jeanette C.
    <[6]julien mail upb de <mailto:julien mail upb de>>
    >    wrote:
    >
    >      Hey hey Nimer,
    >      Sep 1 2020, Nimer Jaber via orca-list has written:
    >      ...
    >      > I am not interested in Arch,
    >      I am not trying to be difficult or to start a fight. Why
    not Arch?
    >      Maybe
    >      the answer further helps to narrow down solutions.
    >      ...
    >      Best wishes,
    >      Jeanette
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    --

    Janina Sajka
    https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

    Linux Foundation Fellow
    Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org

    The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
    (WAI)
    Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa



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Nimer Jaber

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-- 

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https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures     http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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