Re: [orca-list] Apache Openoffice?

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual hypra fr>]

Well, our dialog with TDF has been permanent for more than six years. It 
is not closed, just I dont focus anymore all my energy. What I write 
results from these years of dialog.

One thing is sure: bugs are reported, new ones should be reported, but 
dixing is hypothetic. But anyone wishing to support the efort is 
welcome! Typically ctrl-f11 has been inaccessible now (or fastidious to 
use), footnotes are not readable easily, as well as comments, frames in 
a doc are not seen by Orca, etc. Actually all the accessibility tree 
should be reviewed as a part is broken. It is much work. Not a problem, 
provided that upstream accepts that after it, non-regression tests are 
applied and "prevent" a patch to be pushed. And it is not the case: they 
accept to be aware, not to prevent bad developments. Dont disappoint 
contrib, even if they break accessibility.

Regards


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Le 07/06/2020 à 19:46, Jason White a écrit :
> Here's an LWN article on the point from 2016:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/699755/
>
> Unless the situation has changed, the best course of action would 
> probably be a meeting with the Document Foundation to improve the 
> accessibility development process in LibreOffice about which you seem to 
> have concerns.
>
>
>
> On 6/7/20 12:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I undertand your points and can share them. What makes me have a look 
> > at apache openoffice is that Libreoffice has been experiencing 
> > regressions, since 4.2.6, and no improvements (in accessibility) 
> > except these brought by Hypra. This community refuses any development 
> > guideline  (would make afraid contributors), any so much constraints 
> > due to accessibility, including non-regression tests they tend to 
> > disable (ok they funded one suite 1 year ago, a right effort, but the 
> > remaining work is so much and some bugs opened have a commit 
> > introducing identified and never reverted). They only want money, to 
> > fix, and follow the dev (i.e. running behind the dev stream to fix 
> > accessibility). So I tend to loose hope about any chance this program 
> > to stay accessible and improve it, because no funds will exist for 
> > this (nowadays the fashion is in Office 365, Google suite). 
> > Libreoffice online is still more inaccessible.
> >
> > As I am pessimistic, I try examining other solutions, to have an 
> > office app accessible and, especially, a community much more opened to 
> > non-regression tests, absolute conditions to fund any accessibility 
> > effort.
> >
> > Note that is only an explore, so far I really just investigate. And 
> > what you say is important in my benchmarking. But I would like to 
> > avoid to advice to use Google or office 365 to have an accessible 
> > office solution in the future on a GNU/linux desktop.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Le 07/06/2020 à 17:22, Jason White a écrit :
> > > On 6/6/20 8:05 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am exploring this program, and wonder wether it is supposte to 
> > > > work with Orca.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why are you interested in Apache OpenOffice rather than LibreOffice? 
> > > My understanding is that almost all of the development is taking 
> > > place in LibreOffice these days, and that Apache OpenOffice isn't a 
> > > significant project anymore, even if it's still technically 
> > > continuing - I wouldn't expect any luck in having accessibility 
> > > problems resolved there, and suggest focusing on LibreOffice instead 
> > > (they're both derived from the same code when they parted ways).
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