Re: [orca-list] Does Orca use SSML tags other than speak and mark?

[Arkadiusz Kozioł <zywek-mailing nvps pl>]

Hmm, but unfortunatelly i don't know how to fix it. I have selected 
reading all by sentence in orca's preferences.

W dniu 18.07.2020 o 16:44, Rastislav Kiss via orca-list pisze:
> Yup, that's because of the line by line feeding. Synthesis starts over
> and over for each of them, plus Orca most likely puts in some delay
> intentionally.
> I think these delays should be made configurable, as for example on web
> they're... kind of disturbing.
>
> Best regards
>
> Rastislav
> V Sobota,  18. júl 2020 o 16:21 +0200, Arkadiusz Kozioł napísal(a):
> > BUt not only intonation. Orca breaks when goes at the end  of line
> > and
> > switch to the next.
> >
> >
> > W dniu 18.07.2020 o 15:55, Rastislav Kiss via orca-list pisze:
> > > Hi there,
> > > do you mean when reading the document with orca + semicolon?
> > > Hmm, interesting, yes, it's quite buggy.
> > > Unfortunately, this is Orca's problem, not Speech dispatcher's.
> > >
> > > Orca is feeding SD with speak requests for every line, what causes
> > > the
> > > problem. The speech engine sees just one line in time, so it can't
> > > produce correct intonation.
> > > Orca should instead pump-in the whole text in one speak request, or
> > > at
> > > least one bigger chunk, if there is lot of it.
> > > That way, the engine can see the context and intonate correctly.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Rastislav
> > > V Sobota,  18. júl 2020 o 14:17 +0200, Arkadiusz Kozioł napísal(a):
> > > > Rastislav, can you try to fix the problem, which I described a
> > > > long
> > > > time
> > > > ago? When orca reading a text and go to the next line, it's
> > > > stopping
> > > > and
> > > > there is an intonation, which can be understandable as the end of
> > > > sentence. Joanie sait me, that it is the speech dispatcher
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > W dniu 18.07.2020 o 00:59, Rastislav Kiss via orca-list pisze:
> > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > this question is perhaps primarily aimed for Orca developers,
> > > > > as
> > > > > it's
> > > > > related to the screenreader's internal working.
> > > > > I'd like to ask, does Orca use SSMl tags other than speak and
> > > > > mark
> > > > > when
> > > > > sending messages to speech dispatcher?
> > > > > I've tracked sd's pipe to find out what format does Orca use,
> > > > > when
> > > > > sending speech requests. I have noticed one <speak> tag in
> > > > > every
> > > > > message, as well as <mark> tags for setting markings on the
> > > > > spoken
> > > > > text.
> > > > > Except for these two, I didn't see any tags, even on places
> > > > > where
> > > > > they
> > > > > could occur, for example when spelling or reading links.
> > > > > Are there some I could possibly have missed?
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why I'm asking is my new program, which I've been
> > > > > developing
> > > > > during the last week or two. As hollidays are finally here, I
> > > > > wanted to
> > > > > improve my language skills a bit, by learning Mandarin Chinese.
> > > > > However, espeak doesn't read chinese characters in neither
> > > > > slovak
> > > > > nor
> > > > > English version, and Chinese version can't read even english
> > > > > text
> > > > > properly due to pinyin, slovak is beyond any imagination. I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > know
> > > > > about anything like Nvda's switchsynth for Orca (is there some
> > > > > centralized depository of Orca addons btw?), so I've decided to
> > > > > solve
> > > > > the problem myself.
> > > > > I've made my own speech-dispatcher module, which doesn't
> > > > > contain
> > > > > speech
> > > > > synthesis on its own, but which is able to load other sd
> > > > > modules
> > > > > and
> > > > > after receiving text to speak, split it to parts written in
> > > > > various
> > > > > alphabets, including latin and chinese and send the respective
> > > > > parts in
> > > > > right time to right engine according to configuration.
> > > > > Latin, chinese and cyrillic alphabets are supported right now,
> > > > > but
> > > > > others can be added very easily if needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, the program works very nice, but one thing I really
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > want
> > > > > to bother with was full SSML implementation, especially if most
> > > > > of
> > > > > it
> > > > > won't be ever used and would just slow-down the engine.
> > > > > It seems to be ready for release, I have implemented speak and
> > > > > mark
> > > > > tags to be handled properly, however if other tags occurred in
> > > > > the
> > > > > speak request, such as <emphasis>, in unlucky-enough situation,
> > > > > this
> > > > > could cause splitting the opening and ending of the tag to
> > > > > various
> > > > > engines, and would result in infinite loop.
> > > > > That is something I'd like to prevent at all costs, as working
> > > > > speech
> > > > > is crucial for us. Plus, as I saw today, an infinite loop
> > > > > effectively
> > > > > takes down not just the speech, but also the whole
> > > > > screenreader,
> > > > > so...
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any other SSML tags used in Orca than <speak> and
> > > > > <mark>?
> > > > > Is
> > > > > this situation likely to change in future?
> > > > > SSML seems to be capable of dealing with various things such as
> > > > > spelling or emphasising text, but Orca seems to rather be
> > > > > solving
> > > > > them
> > > > > on its own. That's the point of the second question, whether
> > > > > this
> > > > > is
> > > > > wanted or just temporary behavior until more complex SSML
> > > > > rendering
> > > > > is
> > > > > created.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Rastislav
> > > > >
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