Re: [orca-list] Label versus name

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Thanks! Lemme see if I can fix some of these properly in Orca without 
the need for any script.

--joanie

On 1/29/20 9:21 AM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
> If you have a reasonably recent of MuseScore installed (say, 3.1 or 
> later), or can grab the AppImage from https://musescore.org/download 
> <https://musescore.org/download>, you can check by firing it up, 
> clicking the treble clef symbols at the start of the music, then looking 
> at the Inspector on the right side of the window.
>
> Of the spinboxes you will see there, you will hear that "Minimum 
> distance" reads nothing for for its name because we have neither an 
> accessible name nor is the label properly connected to the spin box - my 
> bad.  "Stacking order" will read the "Z" ("zed", for me) because it's 
> part of the label even though there is an accessible name without the 
> "Z" that I'd prefer it read instead, although it's no big deal in this 
> case.  The two "Offset" spinboxes read nothing for the name because they 
> have accessible names ("Horizontal offset" and "Vertical offset") but 
> their labels aren't connected - which tells me the accessivble name 
> isn't even being used as a fallback.  When I fix the labels, Orca will 
> read the labels "X" and "Y" rather than the names "Horizontal offset" 
> and "Vertical offset", which is really the main reason I want to force 
> reading of name rather than label.  Since I am relying on a script 
> anyhow, it's not a problem to do the override if I could figure out how, 
> although I would question whether label *should* be the default.
>
> BTW, the score view itself - the view of the musical notation - is the 
> thing I've been discussing up until now.  The official versions of 
> MuseScore will just say "Untitled" (the name of the widget is the name 
> of the score) and "Invalid" (the role is currently set to an invalid 
> value).  No event is generated as you select things in the score because 
> Qt won't bother generating value change events for widgets it doesn't 
> think should have them.  So the main change in my code is to make this a 
> static text (which seems the role most acceptable to most screen 
> readers) and specifically implementing the value interface so Qt will 
> generate the value change.  And then my script just listens for the 
> event, because Orca doesn't by default.  As we've discussed, it's not 
> necessarily ideal from a purist standpoint, but there doesn't seem to be 
> a better solution that actually works.
>
> Marc
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:54 PM Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com 
> <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>> wrote:
>
>     I am happy to look into it. Do you have something concrete (one of your
>     spinboxes) I can try?
>
>     This is probably something we want to fix in *not* a custom script. But
>     I'd really like to see the real-world widget before making a
>     determination or change in Orca.
>
>     Thanks!
>     --joanie
>
>     On 1/28/20 5:47 PM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
>      > Yes.  Also, if I override liocusOfFocusChanged, I can get it to
>     read the
>      > name explicitly, and then if I could ever figure out how to get the
>      > value correctly I'd read that, but I don't really want to do that
>      > manually.  I want to get it read normally but force it to use the
>      > accessible name in preference to the label.  So I was hoping to
>     maybe
>      > just override some function that can tell spinboxes to prefer
>     accessible
>      > name.
>      >
>      > Marc
>      >
>      > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 2:24 PM Joanmarie Diggs
>     <jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>
>      > <mailto:jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Does the accessible name show up in Accerciser?
>      >
>      >     --joanie
>      >
>      >     On 1/28/20 4:16 PM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
>      >      > I'm not clear on what the expected semantics are between label
>      >     and name
>      >      > for an accessible control like a spinbox, but it appears
>     Orca is
>      >      > *supposed* to read the label if present, the name if not. 
>     But as
>      >     far as
>      >      > I can tell, for spinboxes at least, this isn't happening -
>     if the
>      >     label
>      >      > is missing, nothing is read even if there is a name.  Is
>     this a
>      >     bug, or
>      >      > am I misunderstanding something or doing something wrong?
>      >      >
>      >      > Also - really, I'd generally rather have the name read - the
>      >     label might
>      >      > require additional visual context to make sense (although I
>      >     recognize I
>      >      > can connect multiple labels).  It looks like maybe there
>     is some
>      >      > facility override some internal function to control which
>     takes
>      >      > precedence, but I can't quite work out how to make this
>     happen.
>      >      >
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