Re: [orca-list] New window to write a new message in TB

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Update: At this point Orca now speaks and brailles those focusable 
labels, including the one whose displayed text is ">>" but which has the 
name of "Other types of addressing fields".

The one thing which remains to be done is to have braille display the 
start of the label rather than the end. And sadly this looks like it may 
be a bigger change. Orca assumes that *focusable* labels have actual 
text, quite possibly with an actual cursor (e.g. which you could toggle 
on with something like F7). It also assumes that the name (if it exists) 
corresponds to the text. That's not the case for the ">>" label. And 
when that's not the case, Orca has to figure out something for the 
cursor offset, and it's going with the end. *Maybe* changing that to the 
beginning would quickly solve the problem; then again, maybe it would 
break something. It needs some thought. And solving this correctly 
requires more time than I have at the moment. If Hypra wants to take 
this on and submit a thoroughly-tested patch, that would be awesome. 
That said....

Mind you, this wouldn't be a problem seen by end users if the label's 
name weren't so ginormous. In fact, if the label were just "Other 
fields" I wouldn't have noticed the problem at all because "Other 
fields" would fit on the braille display. I only noticed this problem 
because "fields" was the only thing displayed, "Other types of 
addressing" had been scrolled off to the left.

Note that I'm not saying Thunderbird developers should change the label 
to work around this issue in Orca. We need to fix this properly in Orca. 
However, even for speech users "Other types of addressing fields" seems 
unnecessarily long to me. If you're in the addressing area of an email, 
isn't "addressing" kinda obvious? And what does "Other types of fields" 
tell you that "Other fields" fails to convey? So if the Thunderbird 
developers were to shorten their label for speech users, as a side 
effect we could happily put the braille issue on the back burner.

Or, again, they could change the role to something else. For instance, 
in the case of a push button, Orca doesn't assume that there is actual 
text in which you can place an actual cursor because that's not how push 
buttons work. :)

--joanie

On 1/24/20 9:26 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> I can look into the problem, because focusable things should of course 
> show up in braille upon focus. That said, an accessible role of label 
> doesn't seem ideal. Labels are typically not interactive button-like 
> things.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 1/24/20 6:12 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thunderbird is migrating its window to compose messages. It seems to 
> > work all right. Now, we enter the destination address in To field, 
> > then press shift-tab to choose a new field (Cc, Cci, etc).
> >
> > These are labels. Orca speaks them but does not display in braille. Why?
> >
> > See the log:
> > http://demo.accelibreinfo.eu/debtb
> >
> > Should we request TB to switch these labels to buttons? Or is it 
> > without importance for Orca? What about braille?
> >
> > Regards
> >
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