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Re: [orca-list] Orca and MuseScore/Qt-applications

Greetings peter,

This may be OT, but I thought I would suggest it nonetheless. I
watched the video, and it does seem rather novel and even helpful.
However, the system seems to me to be rather time-consuming and
therefore inefficient. Are you by chance an emacs/emacspeak user?
There is a great composition program called LilyPond, and it comes
with very helpful emacs support. There is a lot of documentation as
well as an active user forum. I might consider it as another option
for composing.

Hwaen Ch'uqi


On 1/10/20, Michael P. Gorse via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:

I'm not sure if this will really help you with your issue, but I've just
created a repository for Leap with an updated orca / accessibility stack:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mgorse:/a11y/openSUSE_Leap_15.1/

You can substitute "15.0" to get a Leap 15.0 repository.

Leap is somewhat analogous to CentOS--in general, it might not have
particularly new versions of things. Some of the openSUSE development
repositories have builds for Leap, making it possible to install them in
order to update specific packages, but it seems that GNOME:Factory does
not. Tumbleweed is the rolling distribution that will generally be
up-to-date.

Hth,
-Mike

On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:


It's more that I'm used to OpenSuse. I started with Linux more than 20
years ago, switched between several distributions, but stooded somtime
with Opensuse, because you know your way around it. But mabay it's time to
make room
(=partitions)  for ohter distributions too (with all advantages and
disadvantages;-).

Peter

Am Freitag, 10. Januar 2020, 19:05:50 MEZ hat Nolan Darilek
<nolan thewordnerd info> Folgendes geschrieben:


Do you have to use OpenSuse?


If it's that far behind, it seems like OpenSuse may not be serving your
interests. It will be very hard for anyone developing Orca to improve
accessibility to your application if you're stuck on a version that's
nearly 2.5 years old.
It's also a bit unlikely that things will improve if feedback you give
isn't based on any changes actively made to Orca master.


I've had very good luck with Fedora, and have run it for the past 5-6
years. Ubuntu is OK as well, though my understanding is that they tweak
the Orca package in ways that introduce incompatibilities (I.e. replacing
Orca's default
settings storage with their own, which isn't always very well-tested if
recent reports here are any indication.)


On 1/10/20 11:53 AM, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:

Thanks Joanie,

not with Orca version 3.26.0. Today I upgraded OpenSuse to 15.1, but there
isn't another disrtribution package of Orca available - it's a little bit
annoying. As far I've read in May 2020 will be published the next
distributution
version with an actual version of Orca; so it seems I can't check it
before :-(.

Btw. (and FWIW) on FOSDEM 2020 there will be an presentation of
accessibility features in MuseScore (FOSDEM 2020 - Accessibility in
MuseScore.)




FOSDEM 2020 - ACCESSIBILITY IN MUSESCORE



In this this context it would be great, if Orca would work in the same way
as NVDA with the acual state of MuseScore (respectively the reason in case
Orca can read menu items and so on but can't read musical elements - as
mentioned I
can't check it at time).


Beyond that: thank you very much for all you replies so far, it's very
appreiciated (and maybe someone is instered to get the application work
with Orca)

Peter

Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020, 20:12:19 MEZ hat Joanmarie Diggs
<jdiggs igalia com> Folgendes geschrieben:


Confirmed here too. But in my case, Orca is presenting things (e.g. the
dialog box widgets) to me. Is it not even presenting those to you?

There have been a lot of fixes in Orca and a lot of fixes in AT-SPI2
along with some in ATK since the versions you have. I would start with
upgrading to something current and then re-testing.

--joanie


On 1/9/20 13:31, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:

Just noticed an to be precise: MuseScore (="mscore") is listed after
starting the application (but Orca don't work with it), but isn't
listed, when MuseSore isn't opened.

With best regards

Peter

Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020, 18:36:33 MEZ hat Joanmarie Diggs
<jdiggs igalia com> Folgendes geschrieben:


If you type "orca -l" in a terminal, does the application in question
show up in the list?

--joanie

On 1/9/20 09:51, Peter Bartels via orca-list wrote:
  > The Qt-application MuseScore is a scorewriter. One aim is to improve
the
  > accessibility, also that it works with screen readers.
  > The actual version seems to run by using NVDA with Windows quite
good
  >
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=Ocl9gBxmeKg&feature=emb_logo>),

  > but I don't get it to run with Orca, not sure about the reason.
  >
  > My system: OpenSuse Lep 15.0, using XFCE, QT-version: 5.9.4 (so the
  > command "export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1" shouldn't be neccassary anymore
and
  > don't have any effect), orca version: 3.26.0, at-spi2 version:
2.26.3
  >
  > GTK-applications seems to work well for me. But what is neccassary
to
  > get work Orca with Qt-applications in general, but especially with
  > MuseScore? It would be great if the software would also work with a
  > screen reader and Linux (and at time it's not clear also for the
  > developers about the reason: https://musescore.org/en/node/299387
<https://musescore.org/en/node/299387 >), so
  > to improve the accessibility features there.

  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
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  > orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
  > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
<https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list>
  > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
<https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>
  > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
<https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
  > GNOME Universal Access guide:
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>

  >


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