Re: [orca-list] Should Orca treat navigational bars as lists or not

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I'd vote for leaving things as they are.


On 2/17/20 1:09 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> Changing the subject and seeking input on something Alex pointed out. 
> Given a navigation bar of links at the top of a page, Orca doesn't 
> present it as a list; it just presents the line of links. However, you 
> can still use Orca's structural navigation (e.g. "l") to get to these 
> lists.
>
> Here's an example: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.4/components/navbar/
>
> Note that there are actually two lists in the navbar on that page.
>
> Would you like Orca to:
>
> 1. Announce the number of items on the list before presenting each of
>    the navbars on that line?
>
> 2. Prevent "l" (and "i") from treating those navbars as lists?
>
> 3. Leave things as they are?
>
> Note that these choices are mutually exclusive. You can only pick one. 
> Note also that "make it a preference!" is not a good answer. ;) Orca 
> already has way too many preferences. Let's see if we can agree on the 
> best way to handle this.
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 2/17/20 19:07, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
> > Le 17/02/2020 à 18:33, Nolan Darilek a écrit :
> > >  Hey folks,
> > Hello Nolan,
> >
> > > I see from some recent Orca commit messages that there may be 
> > > changes in whether given web elements render on the same line or not.
> > It's due to some issues I've reported.
> >
> > > I upgraded Orca last week, and found that a number of pages/apps now 
> > > render differently. In particular, Bootstrap menus which I've long 
> > > assumed are horizontal, now appear vertical. See the navbars on this 
> > > page, for instance:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.4/components/navbar/
> > I confirm what you describe and I confirm you that the menu is 
> > horizontal.
> >
> > I see multiple issues here:
> > 1. Orca doesn't announce the list on the menu of bootstrap whereas 
> > the l shortcut jumps to the list
> > 2. Orca reads now vertically the menu. The main reason here is to let 
> > it announce when you come / leave the list. For that Orca needs to 
> > put the caret into the list.
> > (Probably Orca could announce all the horizontal list at the same 
> > time, this will reduce for you the amount of arrow you've to do)
> >
> > Do you know how NVDA handles such case?
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
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Christopher (CJ)
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