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Re: [orca-list] new punctuation finding





Hi,

The probem when navigationg by word using Ctrl+right (or left) mentioned by Al is solved, thanks to one the 
latest commits of Speech Dispatcher.

As an aside, the character '.' (U+002E) is spoken "dot" if in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf the line:
PunctuationSymbolPreprocFile "symbols.dic"
is not commented out.
Else it is spoken "period".

No big deal, anyway in the current Unicode specification the name of this character is "full stop".
Simarly the character  "-" (U+002D) is not a 'dash' but a an "hyphen-minus" (hyphen or minus sign)
And indeed "." (U+OO2F) is a "solidus" rather than a "slash".
But old habits die hard: probably most users are not used to new characters' names so there's probably no 
need to change this naming now.

Now I will test you last commit, thanks.

Best,

Didier




Le 2/11/20 à 4:04 PM, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Thanks! I can reproduce some extraneous periods being spoken in certain UI objects and will see if I can 
improve that. I don't see the problem when navigating by word using Ctrl+Right in Gedit, however. (And I 
*think* that was one of the problems Al reported.)

--joanie

On 2/10/20 23:56, Didier Spaier via orca-list wrote:

I downgraded orca to 3.34.0 and speech-dispatcher to 1.9.1
as in Fedora 31 that I installed in a VM.

I got mixed results, i.e. if  punctuation is set to "all" and
"Break speech into chunks between pauses" is checked,
I still hear "dot" most of the time but not always when moving
from item to item in the top panel (I have several ones),
always from icon to icon in in the desktop of from tab to
tab in the Screen Reader Preferences window

I can't spend more time on this issue.

Best,

Didier

Le 2/9/20 à 9:54 PM, Didier Spaier a écrit :

Hello,

orca-3.35.3
speech-dispatcher from git master (last commit 26bc2f2b)
espeak-ng-1.50

If and only if in the Voice tab of the Screen reader Preferences
"Break speech into chunks between pauses" is checked,
issues listed below occur:

1. When in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
DefaultSymbolsPreproc is unset (value 0)
or
#PunctuationSymbolPreprocFile "symbols.dic"
is commented out like above

if in the Speech tab "Punctuation level" is set to All, then when the
desktop gets the focus I hear:
"Desktop period"
instead of "
Desktop."

In espeak-ng.log there is this line:
Sun Feb  9 18:31:43 2020 [436199]: Espeak-ng: Requested data: |<speak><mark name="0:8"/>Desktop.<mark 
name="__spd_0"/></speak>| 0 63

<digression>
If I type:
espeak-ng --punct -v en -w sound.wav "Desktop."
then run "play sound.wav" I just hear "Desktop"
If instead I type:
espeak-ng --punct -v en -w sound.wav "Desktop. "
I hear "Desktop dot"

Maybe espeak-ng says dot only if followed by another
character, new line> included?

Additionally, if reading a line in Mate with a "." in it I hear "period"
instead of "dot".
</digression>

2. When in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
DefaultSymbolsPreproc is set (value 1)
and
PunctuationSymbolPreprocFile "symbols.dic"
is not commented out,
if in the Speech tab "Punctuation level" is set to All or Some or Most,
then when the desktop gets the focus I hear:

"esktop dot"

In this case in espeak-ng.log there is this line:
Sun Feb  9 19:33:02 2020 [184540]: Espeak-ng: Requested data: |<speak><mark name="0:8"/>esktop dot 
</speak>| 0 44

Please note the missing D before "esktop dot " in this case.

tl;dr:
To avoid aforementioned issues, have
"Break speech into chunks between pauses"
no checked in the Voice tab of the Screen reader Preferences.

Can anyone please confirm these findings?

Best,

Didier

Le 1/30/20 à 4:47 PM, Didier Spaier via orca-list a écrit :

Thanks, let's see what I come up with.



Le 1/30/20 à 3:38 PM, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Orca master, though I don't think I've changed anything in Orca recently that would impact this.
speech-dispatcher: 0.9.1-2 (fedora 31 package)
voxin: 3.0
espeak-ng: 1.49.2-7 (fedora 31 package)



On 1/30/20 9:21 AM, Didier Spaier via orca-list wrote:

Which versions of orca and speech-dispatcher are you using and which sythesizer and version?
I could try with these and check if I get the same behavior, as this stuff doesn't take much time to 
build.



Le 1/30/20 à 2:48 PM, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

Thanks for checking! I'm using Fedora 31 and not seeing period/dot spoken when navigating by word 
even with punctuation is set to all.



On 1/30/20 5:57 AM, Didier Spaier via orca-list wrote:

Yes I can reproduce, but it seems that using speech-dispatcher
26bc2f2b the situation is better. Only if punctuation is set to all
Ctrl-right arrow says period after each word and at EOL even if
it doesn't end in a period.

Le 1/30/20 à 2:32 AM, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :

This is something else I cannot reproduce. Perhaps Didier can?



On 1/29/20 7:47 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list wrote:

Thanks to the fix for my punctuation level keystroke problem, I discovered something else.  I've 
actually seen it before but forgot about it.
If my punctuation level is none, I don't notice this.  If it is some, most, or all, however, Orca 
will say "dot" at the ends of lines that don't end with periods.  The exception to this is if the 
line ends with a punctuation mar, such as a colon or quote.
      Also, if I use ctrl-right-arrow to go from word to word, it says "dot" after each word, even 
though there is a space rather than a period there. I don't recall whether I saw *that* before.
Note:  by "before," I mean before the long period when I wasn't using Linux and therefore not 
Orca, thus the bad memory.



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