Re: [orca-list] KDE Plasma Launcher "Kickoff" makes progress in accessibility

["Dan Miner" <dminer84 yahoo com>]

I wish you hadn't mixed quotes from different authors without attribution .  Mine being the second one is out 
of context as well.

Generally, I agree with everything you said.  Also our perspectives of "what is accessible" is different due 
to the methods and tools each individual uses.  Using TTS methods on C-like languages can be quite 
problematic but a braille user might find nothing amiss.  I realize my problems generally revolve around 
using TTS as my sole means but braille is difficult to learn and gain strong fluency in later years of life.  
Plus,, a hugely expensive device for a 40+ cell braille display does not help.

Now, your assertion about GUI not being standard in python.  Please go to python.org, download the latest 
Windows installer and install all components.  You'll find IDLE, a TkInter based IDE and console.  Then, 
follow the tutorial pointers on the thank you page.  This is the inaccessibility I am referring to.

Yes, python is quite command-line friendly but it isn't heavily emphasized any more outside of the UNIX 
community.  I see so many posts about blind and VI people wanting to learn python but can't quite figure out 
how to beat that first barrier of python promoting methods of learning which aren't accessible out of the box.

So to be clear, my main gripe is with Tk and the general educational model of learning python these days.  I 
definitely can do something about Tk which I intend to do so over the coming months.

        Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of chrys
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:24 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] KDE Plasma Launcher "Kickoff" makes progress in accessibility

Howdy,

> Some of what python builds isn't even compatible with gtk let alone 
> the command line user environment in Linux.  You might try installing 
> and running pyching and see if you can get that speaking.
well this makes really no sense... python is a programming language not a toolkit.
it like saying my pizza is not compatible to salami. a developer can use GTK for creating a graphical user 
interface, but its not mandatory. the developer can even use wx or QT. it the default widgets of the toolkit 
doesn't implement accessibility its the fault of the toolkit, not of an programming language.

on step more,  pyching looks like its using a custom set of widgets, so those are just handmade by the 
developer itself ( not using a standard widget of an toolkit) in this case the developer also need to 
implement the required accessibility interfaces (in whatever language it is written)

but all this belongs to _all_ programming languages not only to python

> Just
> imagine if the standard python GUI tools were accessible across its 
> supported platforms (e.g., IDLE).
python doesn't ship any GUI tools. it only ships the python interpreter with some default librarys to do 
stuff like math or time operations, this will give an interactive mode, but this is command line only. if 
python ships any GUI tools then those are packed by your distributor. 
its also not mandatory to have a UI to do any Python related work. If i write some scripts for my server i 
use VIM via ssh. so no GUI interaction at all.


cheers chrys

Am 27.12.20 um 09:07 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
> Some of what python builds isn't even compatible with gtk let alone 
> the command line user environment in Linux.  You might try installing 
> and running pyching and see if you can get that speaking.

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