Re: [orca-list] Copying Math Expressions from Web pages

[Ishe Chinyoka <chinyoka consultant gmail com>]

Hi,

  I managed to play with Chinfusor the whole day yesterday and was able
  to read some Cyrillic text on some web pages using Orca.Sorry for taking time before responding.



It is indeed promising as it opens a new vista of possibilities when it
comes to reading foreign languages, and of course maths that we are
concerned with in this thread.


I succeeded in getting the extended version you sent.



> This is an extended version of the last Chinfusor release. You can set
> it up in the same way as normal Chinfusor, see documentation.

I followed the same steps as with the main Chinfusor copy, but seems
Cargo is throwing some errors. After running "cargo build --release -q", I
get the following:


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error: aborting due to previous error

error: could not compile `sd_chinfusor_ext`.

To learn more, run the command again with --verbose.




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So are there any steps that one has to take to compile this which are
different from the main Chinfusor? Also, one thing that I have to be
clear is: whether the controller I have to place in the
~/.config/chinfusor (where my alphabet.csv and settings.conf are) is an
empty file or I have to do something with the .dat file.

Thanks for the great project.

Regards,



Ishe



On Monday, 10 August 2020, at 23:04, Rastislav Kiss via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
> Hello,
> so, it eventually took me more time than I thought, but doesn't matter,
> here we go:
> https://rastisoftslabs.com/?smd_process_download=1&download_id=359
>
> This is an extended version of the last Chinfusor release. You can set
> it up in the same way as normal Chinfusor, see documentation.
> The only difference in setup is, that you need to create a file
> controller.dat in ~/.config/chinfusor
> Then your Chinfusor will be ready to receive commands through this
> file.
>
> How to Activate and finish recording?
>
> There is a program called chinfusor_recording_activator. This program
> when launched will switch recording to opposite state i.e. from off to
> on and wiceversa.
> I recommend placing this program to a stable destination, like
> /usr/bin. Then you need to create a keyboard shortcut for it.
>
> There are various ways to do this, for example on the latest Ubuntu
> mate, you can do the following:
> 1. Press alt+f1, navigate to System/Settings/Hardware/Keyboard
> shortcuts.
> 2. In the opened window, press Add button.
> 3. Enter name for the new shortcut and command to execute
> chinfusor_recording_activator i.e.
> /usr/bin/chinfusor_recording_activator, if you've put it into this
> location. By including --accelerated flag in the command, you can
> activate accelerated recording (explained later).
> 4. After confirming the shortcut, navigate to Common shortcuts in the
> tree and find your newly created shortcut, with status disabled. To
> assign it, press right arrow and space, press your desired key
> combination and leave by tabulator.
> 5. After checking that the shortcut was really assigned in the tree,
> you can close the dialog.
>
> Now, when pressing the activation shortcut, Chinfusor will say
> "Recording", anything you cross with Orca will be catched. When you
> press the shortcut again, Chinfusor will say "Copied", and the
> recording will stop, with recorded text appearing in your clipboard.
>
> Accelerated recording
>
> From my point of view, Orca takes a really strange approach for reading
> things. Instead of pre-synthesizing text to be spoken, it pushes every
> single element into a queue, what causes a whole series of problems,
> like broken intonation, too long pauses in speech, and in this case, a
> requirement to wait until the last math element is read, otherwise
> Chinfusor simply won't get the whole text from Orca.
> And because of the mentioned long pauses, this can take a while to do.
> I have thus thought out an accelerated recording mode. This mode fools
> Orca by claiming that the text was read immediately after receiving it.
> Thus Orca gives out another part, which is again claimed to be read,
> ant this way it goes on, until there is nothing left. This way, an
> equation is copied almost immediately.
> The only drawback of this method is, that whatever is received is not
> being really read, as it would mess up the output tags. It's like
> entering a silence mode.
> Thus the best application of this technique is, when you have cursor
> one line above formula, you can activate accelerated recording, press
> down arrow, and disable recording almost immediately.
>
> Limitations
>
> There are few limitations of recording in this way, which I didn't have
> time yet to solve. One of them is, that because the activator is a
> console app, it blinks on the screen for a moment, what causes Orca to
> read title of the currently active window, which is then catched by
> Chinfusor.
> Another thing is, that Orca for some reason adds period after every
> part of math expression. I don't know why, it just does it. I didn't
> know whether it is a problem or not, so I didn't include a filter yet.
> Otherwise, I found the copying proces to be quite quick and reliable.
>
> Also, thanks for your interest in this topic, I hope I will be able to
> produce betas of MathPresenter soon.
> Yes, statistics is very close to data sciences, and artificial
> intelligence, infact, the whole human brain is just one big statistical
> machine. What you use in traditional statistics and psychology to find
> phenomenas in data, is just run in a very complex system, which not
> just finds phenomenas on data, but phenomenas on phenomenas, another
> phenomenas on those phenomenas and soon to create abstraction in the
> system and use it to do something useful. It's fascinating subject and
> I definitely recommend looking on it, if you're interested in such
> stuff.
> I use Sagemath as my CAS, as it unifies various mathematical libraries
> such as R, Maxima, SymPy or NumPy in a unified Python interface. Python
> is not just a full-fledged programming language, but it is also very
> popular in science applications, what means very well developed
> libraries for data processing, machine learning and deep learning, like
> numPy and TensorFlow. When I take in the fact, that I know Python
> already, it was infact a decided thing. :)
> SageMath is interestingly more accessible on Linux than Windows, the
> Windows version required a trick to work with Jaws at all, and even
> then, the console acted quite strangely.
> Reading math is another story though. :)
> Access8Math has better parsing than Jaws, I just don't understand who
> to the heck thought out to place manual pauses between all nodes of an
> equation! The reading sounds like a stucking machine, and when I
> actually opened the structural navigation and saw, that each elements
> gets Item number before it is actually announced, it seemed like some
> kind of bad joke.
> Bud it worked at least, so it was a good replacement on places, where
> Jaws parser got stuck. Jaws has the best math reading style I've ever
> seen, it presents formulas in a natural, very practical way, without
> any slowing down or useless notes. The whole screenreader is very well
> tuned, and the math support is great... when it works.
>
> Best regards
>
> Rastislav
> V Nedeľa,  9. august 2020 o 21:12 +0200, Ishe Chinyoka napísal(a):
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > On Sunday,  9 August 2020, at 20:33, Rastislav Kiss via orca-list <
> > orca-list gnome org> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > heh, it seems we are in somewhat similar position, although coming
> > > from
> > > different backgrounds. I'm using Linux as my main operating system
> > > for
> > > about 3 months by now, and I have problems with reading math too.
> >
> > Sure, it looks like maths accessibility is still a challenge with
> > most
> > screen-readers. On Windows, I used to rely on NVDA's Access8Math
> > addon
> > to read maths content. But seems it could not copy maths expressions
> > as
> > they are said out by speech. 
> >
> > > But if you want to really do it this way, there is an option. I
> > > have
> > > made a project called Chinfusor some time ago:
> > > https://rastisoftslabs.com/2020/07/22/chinfusor-a-universal-solution-for-reading-texts-in-foreign-alphabets-on-linux/
> > >
> > > It's a speech module for speech dispatcher, which acts as a middle
> > > layer between clients and speech modules in order to route parts of
> > > text written in various alphabets to specified engines with
> > > specified
> > > configuration.
> >
> > I am Now downloading it to my machine, seems to be a promising
> > project
> > not only for Maths but even some other content that I come across on
> > the
> > web where some letters are not voiced out well, I just hear "Chinese
> > leter, Chinese letter".
> >
> > > But never mind that now, the important thing is, that it's a speech
> > > module, receiving all spoken text from Orca. If you want, I can
> > > make a
> > > special build for you, which will allow recording incoming speech
> > > requests with a keyboard shortcut, and copying the recorded text to
> > > clipboard.
> > > Thus, you would be able to copy an equation like:
> > > Press shortcut,
> > > make Orca speak the equation you want to get,
> > > press shortcut again, the collected text will appear in your
> > > clipboard.
> >
> > I think this is what I am looking for when dealing with lots of
> > formulas
> > on the web. Though translators may be the best as you point out, but
> > such a simple approach for me for a start would be okay. In fact,
> > most
> > of the time what I do is even though I get a formula through  speech,
> > I
> > usually look for its equivalence in LaTeX if I want to be sure of how
> > it
> > has to be written down. So for a start, this module promises to be a
> > lifesaver instead of copying what the speech is saying to the
> > keyboard
> > by hand like what I am doing right now. Others who may also be
> > engaged
> > in technical work may find this module useful for their productivity,
> > I
> > would like to believe so.
> >
> > > Although I would personally most likely go with some kind of
> > > translator
> > > to LaTeX or similar format, like:
> > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/xsltml/
> >
> > Let me check this one out as well. I am interested in compiling as
> > much
> > info as I can on how maths can be accessed, or better still how we
> > can
> > script this to do it as end users.
> >
> >
> > > Can you programm in JavaScript? If yes, plugins like TamperMonkey
> > > can
> > > make copying MathML notation much more flexible, technically if you
> > > connect it with sheets above, you should be able to get directly a
> > > LaTeX form. I can't confirm quality of the sheets, as I didn't use
> > > them
> > > myself, I just saw some people using them, so they'd be my first
> > > try if
> > > i wanted a functionality like this.
> >
> > I have some familiarity with JavaScript as it is used in NodeJS
> > applications. For the browser, it had been a long time since I wrote
> > it.
> > But I am willing to learn and devote enough time to find out what
> > needs
> > to be done. Thanks for pointing out as well.
> >
> >
> > > I personally find the current Orca MathML interpretation quite
> > > weak. It
> > > not just doesn't contain a structural mathematical navigation, but
> > > even
> > > the basic reading makes quite strange things, such as on this page:
> > > https://openstax.org/books/calculus-volume-2/pages/3-6-numerical-integration
> >
> > I can confirm that as well, because on one page yesterday, I knew
> > that a
> > formula must have a square root in it, but it just said "operator"
> > and
> > "end operator". However, I think it does a better job as its maths
> > support is passable out of the box as compared to Windows
> > screenreaders
> > that may need some addon to do just that.
> >
> >
> > > Thus I'm working on my own MathML parser to do this. I originally
> > > thought, that i will create presentation markup parser along with
> > > content markup parser, but considering the fact that even Firefox
> > > doesn't support content markup yet, I'm currently thinking about
> > > another plan, splitting the project to two parts, what would allow
> > > me
> > > to release the thing much sooner than originally expected.
> > >
> > > It's not ready yet, but if I finish the tags implementation, I will
> > > need betatesters to check it with various formulas. I want a rock-
> > > solid 
> > > parser, I had quite bad experiences with Jaws on Windows, where
> > > many
> > > formulas simply got the interpreter stuck, draining cpu to 80 or
> > > 90%. I
> > > don't want anything similar on Linux, but that means the program
> > > must
> > > be checked in first place. Would you be interested in this?
> >
> > Sure, I would be interested in testing out this project as it
> > directly
> > relates to my work. It offers a promise for a better user experience
> > on
> > *nix platforms. 
> > > Also, if yes, I would also like to ask, what area of mathematics is
> > > your most used? For example, i study artificial intelligence and
> > > deep
> > > learning, which is almost completely built on multidimensional
> > > calculus, which could be in theory coverable quite easily, as it
> > > contains rather equations than mathematical statements.
> >
> > My work is in the social sciences, particularly international
> > politics
> > and relations. I mostly deal with quantitative research material,
> > which
> > means that my branch  of maths is statistics.  Of recent though, I
> > had
> > been trying to dabble into data science as I see it as glorified
> > statistics with some computer science thrown in to appeal to the
> > business world, otherwise I see no major difference with traditional
> > statistics we grew up studying. So in short, I am looking forward to
> > full access to statistics. Though R (and ESS in Emacs) is perfect for
> > my
> > production needs, it is to reading that the issue comes.
> >
> > So I will be looking forward to any module that can help in maths
> > access.
> >
> > > Best regards
> >
> > Thanks for your pointers and these promising projects. This is what
> > motivates us to learn more about the internals of Linux itself to
> > give
> > back to the community that had been helping us stay ahead of our
> > game.
>
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