Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

See also: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1544973

On 11/14/19 9:57 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> No worries, as a former screen reader developer, I was curious about how 
> it worked under the hood. I don't recall explicitly toggling caret 
> navigation with Firefox, so wasn't sure if it defaulted to on when a 
> need for accessibility was detected, or if AT-SPI handled text selection 
> at a lower level. Figured the former was more likely.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 11/14/19 8:50 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox for 
> > text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the caret 
> > position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support), you can 
> > then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret navigation even if 
> > there is not a visible caret showing.
> >
> > So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection 
> > support to do something similar. But you still would be using the 
> > browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text.
> >
> > A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to ATK 
> > and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and Orca. 
> > That seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant than 
> > using the native text selection functionality already in the browser.
> >
> > So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For the 
> > foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require native 
> > caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that remains 
> > set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see this as a 
> > problem.
> >
> > Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the 
> > browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal.
> >
> > On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it 
> > > eventually be possible to select text without the extra caret command 
> > > line option?
> > >
> > >
> > > Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be 
> > > fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, 
> > > like with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually 
> > > be automatically toggled on when it is needed?
> > >
> > >
> > > No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty 
> > > nice, except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't 
> > > expected to work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've 
> > > waited years to use some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps 
> > > being published, so I can be patient. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message.
> > > >
> > > > On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote:
> > > > > Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret?
> > > > >
> > > > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze:
> > > > > > Hey all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in 
> > > > > > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about 
> > > > > > testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to 
> > > > > > test even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. <grins>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and 
> > > > > > a super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some 
> > > > > > command line switches too. I've also summarized some key known 
> > > > > > issues at the bottom of that page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged 
> > > > > > to double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to 
> > > > > > report to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, 
> > > > > > I should address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for 
> > > > > > all Orca users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on 
> > > > > > Chrome/Chromium.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > --joanie
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