Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox for 
text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the caret 
position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support), you can 
then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret navigation even if 
there is not a visible caret showing.

So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection 
support to do something similar. But you still would be using the 
browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text.

A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to ATK 
and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and Orca. That 
seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant than using the 
native text selection functionality already in the browser.

So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For the 
foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require native 
caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that remains 
set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see this as a 
problem.

Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the 
browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal.

On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it eventually 
> be possible to select text without the extra caret command line option?
>
>
> Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be 
> fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, like 
> with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually be 
> automatically toggled on when it is needed?
>
>
> No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty nice, 
> except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't expected to 
> work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've waited years to use 
> some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps being published, so I can 
> be patient. :)
>
>
> On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message.
> >
> > On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote:
> > > Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret?
> > >
> > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze:
> > > > Hey all.
> > > >
> > > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in 
> > > > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about 
> > > > testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test 
> > > > even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. <grins>
> > > >
> > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium
> > > >
> > > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a 
> > > > super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command 
> > > > line switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the 
> > > > bottom of that page.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to 
> > > > double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report 
> > > > to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should 
> > > > address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca 
> > > > users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on 
> > > > Chrome/Chromium.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > --joanie
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