Re: [orca-list] console based screen readers



Howdy Jude,

Arch Linux is where Fenrir is developed. Under arch, Fenrir should be enabled using the systemd file. 
Currently, that uses root.

Thanks,
Storm

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:47:51AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Have you installed archlinux from Jenux yet?
Reason I'm asking is it uses fenrir and may have got that working or it
may already work.
In the case where it may work already after the fenrir tone plays, on my
system I enter my username and password.  When I do that, fenrir emits a
kind of burping sound but then fenrir comes up talking like it would on a
correct login.

That system uses zsh too.



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Howdy,

There is a script that is in:

/usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/make_fenrir_user.sh

It does the necessary setup to get fenrir working without root access. Fenrir will run under the 
fenrirscreenreader user. The only problem is, it doesn't work. It plays the sound for Fenrir starting but 
does not read or speak.

I'm almost certain it is something simple, but what I'm not sure.

Thanks,
Storm

On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 11:32:09PM +0200, Chrys wrote:
Howdy James, howdy list,

This might be off topic but maybe for some  interesting as well...
I am running ubuntu Mate 18.04 LTS and am running Fenrir successfully.

This is Awsome!

Once you have all   dependencies installed, the trick to get speech working for me in the console, was to run 
Fenrir with sudo.

Right, fenrir needs access to special device files in /dev/vcsa[1-6]

Where it gets its information from.

Fenrir also needs access to /dev/input/*

To get the shortcuts and consume them and to

/dev/uinput

To send the non shortcuts input to the system

I am still working on running  Fenrir without needing sudo

Really? This is amazing and interesting! You should give a talk to storm_dragon here. He is currently working 
on an script to make fenrir rootless. The trick will be correct and finetuned permission setup of the needed 
files to the user what runs fenrir or an fenrir group or similar.
IMO a screenreader should have as less permissions as possible because it gets many sensitive data. all 
screenreaders are keyloggers and session recorders by design to be able to do its job. So the software should 
restricted where ever possible. I m all in here and help where i ever can... run those stuff as root and even 
higher should not  be done those days anymore. I very like orcas and AT-SPIs concept here. Lets fix fenrir up 
:).

Just remember to turn off Orca when in the terminal.

This is not needed, fenrir has the abilities to go away if you switch to GUI and come back if you move to 
TTY. If you use logind its enabled and autodetected by default. If not you can set screens to ignore / 
suspend in settings.conf or you can communicate it with an script or something via unix socket at runtime to 
fenrir.

Small tipp:
fenrir -e
Doesn’t require root as well and you can make orca prevent from double output using xterm or konsole (or any 
other inaccessible terminal emulator). Those are exclusive visible to fenrir then. So orca and fenrir coexist 
in a nice way then on GUI too even if they are in same session.

Cheers chrys

Am 08.07.2019 um 22:21 schrieb James Austin via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>:

Hi folks

On 08/07/2019 20:34, Storm Dragon wrote:

I'm not sure how easy it is to get Fenrir running on Ubuntu though, this may be the one drawback.

I am running ubuntu Mate 18.04 LTS and am running Fenrir successfully.



Once you have all   dependencies installed, the trick to get speech working for me in the console, was to run 
Fenrir with sudo.



You can run the following from a graphical terminal and then swtich to a console with Control+AltFF1 through 
F6:



sudo fenrir



I am still working on running  Fenrir without needing sudo and have also had some success using Fenrir with 
the 'e' option. This allows Fenrir to run in the graphical terminal.



Running sudo fenrir-daemon also runs Fenrrir as a background process, allowing you to use your terminal for 
other things while Fenrir is running. Just remember to turn off Orca when in the terminal.



Best

James

Howdy Norman,

This is another good reason to use Fenrir. There is a script you can run in 
/usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/configurepulse.sh that will make it so you will have sound in the console.

I'm not sure how easy it is to get Fenrir running on Ubuntu though, this may be the one drawback.

Thanks,
Storm

On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 11:57:35AM -0400, Norman wrote:
Hi.

I use the defaults for ubuntu mate 18.04


On 7/6/19 2:32 PM, Didier Spaier wrote:
Hello Norman,

The ability of Orca to to read aloud what's displayed on a terminal
mostly depends on which terminal is used.

So which one do you use? And which distribution/version?

Generally speaking, console based apps can benefit of console screen
readers like speakup, fenrir or speechd-up that are intended to be used
in a console, not in a graphical environment.
Their availability depends on which distribution and version you use.

However, from a quick look at the screenshots provided by the project I
am not optimistic as a lot of information are displayed on sub-windows,
including arrays between them and I don't know how a screen reader can
present this information (I am sighted).

Good luck,

Didier

On 7/6/19 8:03 PM, Norman wrote:
Hello all.

I sometimes need to use a terminal based program called sngrep to trace voip calls from my personal pbx. 
However, orca struggles with this program, it doesn't read everything and scrolling is a big issue. I was 
wondering, are there any helpful tips people have when using orca with console based programs? or would a 
second screen reader like speakup do better at this?

I'd like to try speakup and find out but can't find any good docs on how to make it work.

Can anyone help?


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